OSJ Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 What are we willing to bet that that was a former poster on this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 As I tried to explain in that WC thread from way back only for it to amount to talking to a bunch of brick walls (except for Tabe), TM/DK got shat on by people who were watching it direct comparison to what else was going on in New Japan in the early 1980's, not in comparison to an ROH spotfest from 2006. People who remember the New Japan '80s balloting, voting, and discussion remember that a hell of a lot of people watching the matches IN CONTEXT were shitting on them, too. The worst TM-DK match is better than the best Takada-Koshinaka match from later on in the set, but both guys have giant, glaring flaws in their game, Sayama moreso than Dynamite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadCheese Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Workrate is dumb. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 When I first heard that term in the mid-late 90s, workrate seemed to mean how many moves could you do and how fast were you doing them. Yes, it is dumb (even if the goalposts of what that term means have now changed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Goodear said: Workrate is dumb. If "getting the most out of the least" is the metric for good wrestling vs bad wrestling, then Sid was the greatest wrestler in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 SID was nothing but a spot monkey but check out his workrate: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Sid really was the master of the universe, and ruler of the world. Give me big dudes throwing people around over small dudes and their "fighting spirit" bullshit any day. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Workrate is one descriptive tool among many--neither meaningless nor the be-all and end-all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Additional reading: Bill Thompson's excellent essay on workrate that was lost when WrestlingWithWords went down: https://web.archive.org/web/20170717234344/http://wrestlingwithwords.com/workrate/ A thread where Parv put the challenge to me on this stuff. It goes to some weird places from both Parv and Grimmas but it definitely did allow me to elaborate more which no one probably wants me to do here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/33037-anti-workrate/page-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Pro Wrestling Only seems like a nursing home, devoid of enjoyment of anything - whereas DVDVR is one of those gated communities for old folks that has a handful of cool old people, but also the occasional guy that’s all, “I miss the old days”. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 All I know is I was trying to watch Will Ospreay vs Liger in NJPW, when Osprey missed a flippy-doo and landed of his feet, then started selling like he'd blown his knee out. Then he did a Sasuke Special less than a minute later. Liger's a legend and Ospreay is apparently getting more credit nowadays, but that' just shit. This is all apropos of nothing except to say that I guess we all have our lines where we say "yeah, this is good wrestling and this isn't." And those lines are flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Casey said: Pro Wrestling Only seems like a nursing home, devoid of enjoyment of anything - whereas DVDVR is one of those gated communities for old folks that has a handful of cool old people, but also the occasional guy that’s all, “I miss the old days”. PWO is Seinfeld. DVDVR is Curb Your Enthusiasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Casey said: Pro Wrestling Only seems like a nursing home, devoid of enjoyment of anything - whereas DVDVR is one of those gated communities for old folks that has a handful of cool old people, but also the occasional guy that’s all, “I miss the old days”. I only even learned this match existed yesterday. Have a gif: 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Gigante got robbed by that crooked referee. Muta is attacking him with a chair in full view of the referee who does nothing and Gigante gets it for one second and then the ref decides to grab it. The referee in the Tea Bag match does a better job of enforcing rules equally and he's a CARTOON. Damn it McMahon, if Jack Tunney is a man of his word, this is the last we've seen of Rugged Ronnie Garvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 23 hours ago, odessasteps said: So, they are the Frank Miller & Alan Moore of wrestling? If Dynamite and Tiger Mask are Miller and Moore, then Dolph Ziggler is the Mark Millar of wrestling: They've done some good work in the past, but it was years ago, and we'd all be better off if they both just went away forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, mattdangerously said: If Dynamite and Tiger Mask are Miller and Moore, then Dolph Ziggler is the Mark Millar of wrestling: They've done some good work in the past, but it was years ago, and we'd all be better off if they both just went away forever. Now I'm just trying to figure out who the Rob Liefeld of wrestling is and all I can come up with is jokes about pouches and a lack of feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Technico Support said: Now I'm just trying to figure out who the Rob Liefeld of wrestling is and all I can come up with is jokes about pouches and a lack of feet. Kerry? 3 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, odessasteps said: Kerry? I was going to make a Zach Gowan joke but alas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Kerry? OK, this got me. I'm pretty sure everyone in my office thinks I'm crazy for laughing out loud when there is absolutely no one around me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Goodear said: Gigante got robbed by that crooked referee. Muta is attacking him with a chair in full view of the referee who does nothing and Gigante gets it for one second and then the ref decides to grab it. The referee in the Tea Bag match does a better job of enforcing rules equally and he's a CARTOON. Damn it McMahon, if Jack Tunney is a man of his word, this is the last we've seen of Rugged Ronnie Garvin. Muta is attacking him while ON a chair. It's a technical difference but an important one. Gigante grabbed it with evil intentions, which is when, as a duly appointed official and representative of the sport of professional wrestling, you have to step in and prevent its use. Besides, you have no idea how that chair got into the ring. You can't punish Muta simply because a strong, focused wind blew a ringside chair into the ring and he ended up standing on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Michael Sweetser said: Muta is attacking him while ON a chair. It's a technical difference but an important one. Gigante grabbed it with evil intentions, which is when, as a duly appointed official and representative of the sport of professional wrestling, you have to step in and prevent its use. Besides, you have no idea how that chair got into the ring. You can't punish Muta simply because a strong, focused wind blew a ringside chair into the ring and he ended up standing on it. This is why gifs are inadmissible as evidence in wrestlers’ court. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Matt D said: "Stop! Stop! He's already red!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) The idea that you guys found out there was a Muta-Gigante match and didn’t immediately watch the whole thing is troubling to me. The Bullet Club cheated less. Edited April 25, 2018 by Goodear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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