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Disc 8 Rankings

1. Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (9/23/88)

2. Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (Hair v. Hair) (7/28/89)

3. Javier Cruz vs. Hombre Bala (Hair vs. Hair) (6/30/89)

4. Mogur vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (Mask vs. Mask) (9/23/88)

5. Blue Demon, Blue Demon Jr. y Ringo Mendoza vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Satanico (11/25/88)

6. Atlantis, El Dandy y Popitekus vs. Gran Markus Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ulises (5/26/89)

7. Angel Azteca, Atlantis y Blue Demon Jr. vs. El Dandy, Super Muneco y El Texano (3/24/89)

8. Emilio Charles, Fabuloso Blondy y Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy, Atlantis & El Faraón (7/21/89)

9. Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89)

10. Super Halcon, Satanico y Masakre vs. El Texano, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (3/17/89)

11. Popitekus, Angel Azteca y Steve Nelson vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Gran Markus Jr. y Masakre (6/9/89)

Okay, so I may be partial to a splattering of blood and a short haircut. Throw in El Dandy for good measure.

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Disc 9 Rankings:

1. Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs. Hair/Mask) (9/22/89)
2. Atlantis, Mascara Sagrada y Super Astro vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y Verdugo) (September 1989)
3. Blue Demon Jr., Super Astro y Mascara Sagrada vs. El Supremo, Espectro Jr. y Blue Panther (10/6/89)
4. Blue Panther, Emilio Charles Jr. y Hombre Bala vs. Blue Demon, Javier Cruz y Hombre Sin Nombre (8/4/89)
5. Super Astro, Atlantis y El Faraón vs. Fuerza Guerrera, Blue Panther y Emilio Charles (8/18/89)
6. Jerry Estrada, Ary Romero y Rick Patterson vs. Javier Cruz, Eddy Guerrero y El Dandy (10/6/89)
7. MS-1 y Maskare vs. El Dandy y El Satanico, (8/11/89)
8. All Star, El Dandy y El Texano vs. Espectro Jr., Jerry Estrada y Rocky Star (10/13/89)
9. El Dandy, Apolo Dantes y Eddy Guerrero vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ary Romero (9/29/89)
10. Jerry Estrada vs. Javier Cruz (Hair vs. Hair) (10/20/89)
11. Chavo Guerrero, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano Dos Mil vs. Lizmark, El Satanico y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (10/20/89)

 

Earth, wind and fire are no match for water. The Hair/Mask match was the best on this disc by a long way.

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Disc 10 Rankings:

1. El Dandy vs. Emilio Charles Jr. (12/1/89)

2. Emilio Charles Jr., MS-1 y Tierra, Viento y Fuego vs. Atlantis, El Dandy y Mascara Sagrada, (11/24/89)

3. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (11/10/89)

4. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (10/27/89)

5. El Brazo y Brazo De Plata vs. Hombre Bala, El Verdugo (11/17/89)

6. Fuerza Guerrera vs. El Hijo Del Santo vs. All Star (12/8/89)

7. Fuerza Guerrera y Rocky Star vs. All Star y El Hijo Del Santo + Fuerza Guerrera vs. Rocky Star (12/1/89)

8. Pirata Morgan vs. Brazo De Oro (11/17/89)

9. Pirata Morgan vs. Ken Timbs (12/8/89)

That completes the set with a good final disc, particularly Dandy vs Charles. I thought that the quality level through the discs was more even than the other 80's sets I've seen. Certainly it was an enjoyable set to watch, so thanks once again to everyone responsible for putting it together.

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This is the 4th 80's set I've completed, although only the 2nd that I get to vote on. Judging by the lack of discussion it will probably have the smallest voter turnout so far. That would be a shame as it's one of the better sets. There are some matches I'll hopefully get around to rewatching before deadline time. Here are my current top 15 in chronological order:

Satoru Sayama & Gran Hamada vs Perro Aguayo & Baby Face (4/13/80)

MS-1 vs Sangre Chicana (Hair vs Hair) (9/23/83)

Sangre Chicana vs Ringo Mendoza (10/28/83)

Mocho Cota vs Americo Rocca (1/27/84)

Gran Cochise vs El Satanico (9/14/84)

Americo Rocca vs El Talisman (3/29/85)

Espanto Jr vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs Mask) (8/31/86)

El Hijo Del Santo vs Negro Casas (Mask vs Hair) (7/18/87)

Arandu vs Guerrero Negro (Hair vs Hair) (?/88)

El Hijo Del Santo vs Espanto Jr (4/10/88)

Pirata Morgan vs El Dandy (Hair vs Hair) (9/23/88)

Javier Cruz vs Hombre Bala (Hair vs Hair) (6/30/89)

Emilio Charles Jr vs El Dandy (Hair vs Hair) (7/28/89)

Atlantis & El Satanico vs MS-1 & Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs Hair/Mask) (9/22/89)

El Dandy vs Emilio Charles Jr (12/1/89)

So I may have a slight preference towards Luchas de apuestas and title matches.

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1984 EMLL doesn't get talked about enough as one of the great all time promotion years. By my count, they had 14 ****+ matches and stuff like Koshinaka/Satanico and the MS1/Chicana rematch right under that clip. I can only imagine how well the year overall would place if all available footage was out for the masses to see.

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I figure I should post this here for people who don't post on PWO:

 

That's the El Santo farewell match at El Toreo from 1983 that was clipped in the extras but here it is in full. The footage is cool though the match is a tad disappointing. Solitario vs Perro Aguayo is awesome and the atmosphere is great but nobody else really shines and the match itself is only two falls, both of which end via DQ. Disappointing booking for such a big match.

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I don't know why I can't get motivated to watch any more of this set. I really enjoyed Disc 1 but that's as far as I have gotten. I really want to submit a ballot though because I've never got one of the sets and not finished the ballot.

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Just turned in my ballot. Thought I should bump this in case anybody is looking for the info:

I was reminded that I'm months overdue for creating a lucha spreadsheet.  My bad!

 

Here's a quick version (with the latest error corrections):https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/mookieghana-prowrestlingstatistics/dvdvr_80s_lucha/lucha_1980s.xls

 

Send your finalized ballots to [email protected]

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I'm not going to finish because the Lucha set inspired me to watch a lot more lucha that wasn't the lucha set. Can you guys still call that a win or what? By the time I really got my sea legs, I was around disc five and I'd need to rewatch everything if I wanted to even come close to having a ballot and I just don't have time to do that.

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Halfway through the set here is my current top 5:

 

1. La Fiera vs. Babyface (8/15/86)
2. Satanico vs. Super Astro (10/84)
3. Perro Aguayo vs. Sangre Chicana vs. El Faraón vs. Villano III (10/84)
4. Sangre Chicana vs. Villano III (12.7.84)
5. Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9/30/83)

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Ballot is sent in! I could have probably played with these rankings until the end of time but it was at the deadline so here's what I got:

 

1.La Fiera vs. Babyface (8.15.86)
2.MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9.23.83)
3.Perro Aguayo vs. Sangre Chicana vs. El Faraón vs. Villano III (10.84)
4.Arandu vs. Guerrero Negro (1988)
5.Satanico vs. Super Astro (10.84)
6.Sangre Chicana vs. Villano III (12.7.84)
7.Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9.30.83)
8.El Hijo Del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (4.10.88)
9.El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (7.18.87)
10.Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (8.31.86)
11.El Brazo y Brazo De Plata vs. Hombre Bala, El Verdugo (11/17/89)
12.Gran Cochise vs. Satanico (9.14.84)
13.Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair.Mask vs. Hair.Mask) (9.22.89)
14.Gran Cochise, Villano III y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs. Fishman, Mocho Cota y Tony Bennetto (11.30.84)
15.Americo Rocca, Cacharro Mendoza y Kung Fu vs. El Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (September 1986)
16.Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3.2.84)
17.Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo (Hair vs. Hair) (2.28.86)
18.Atlantis, Mascara Sagrada y Super Astro vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y Verdugo) (September 1989)
19.MS-1 y Maskare vs. El Dandy y El Satanico, (8.11.89)
20.Atlantis y El Hijo del Santo vs. Fuerza Guerrera y Lobo Rubio (11.25.83)
21.Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (7.28.89)
22.Atlantis, El Dandy y Popitekus vs. Gran Markus Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ulises (5.26.89)
23.Javier Cruz vs. Hombre Bala (6.30.89)
24.Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986)
25.Hijo del Santo, Ringo Mendoza y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Jerry Estrada, Fuerza Guerrera y Talisman (3.9.84)

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