Cristobal Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Keep Calm, Akira Hokuto On said: I was thinking they did it at a couple house shows, but can't find any evidence of that. In any case, yeah, Bischoff shot it down the day of a tv taping. I think I remember an interview with Michael Hayes where he claimed it was Ole's idea, so not really sure if it was his or Sid's idea. Sid was the one who lobbied for them to get brought in to WCW. Supposedly, the idea was that Kane and Kole would be convicts and Col. Parker would be "boss' of the chain gang. Of course, the optics were bad and they probably would have looked more like slaves. One aspect of the gimmick did make it to tv. Harlem Heat wore orange jumpsuits to the ring for a couple weeks (with their "convict numbers' covered by tape). I'm kinda surprised they thought (correctly) that this gimmick was too racist, but decided to run with a really tan white guy pretending to be black and doing a Little Richard/flamboyantly gay gimmick. On paper, Badd's gimmick looks like an even more offensive idea. Granted, Badd's gimmick would never get past the "frozen nazi with a Jewish manager" stage today. Spoiler 4 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Nash has always had his eye on the pay cheque and where he's positioned but to say he had no passion for the business is ludicrous otherwise he wouldn't still be making indie dates prior to his recent surgery. Hes one of the guys Austin always talks about regarding constantly talking the biz and booking the territory, so many here seem to be confusing passion with effort - He's not gonna kill himself to put on a five star match when he's getting paid the same regardless, and I respect that more than I respect a nutcase like Benoit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, CreativeControl said: He's not gonna kill himself to put on a three star match when he's getting paid the same regardless Fixed for accuracy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I have enjoyed and learned a lot from this discussion about Nash and passion for the business. Thanks for everyone's contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramo2653 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 As a black guy who was a in grade school during Badd's WCW run I liked him as a face I just wasn't crazy about his lack of a legit finisher compared to other guys. Also, I don't remember him being portrayed as black, and from watching a few WCW PPVs here and there on the network I don't remember anything. Was I just missing it as a kid? He always seemed like a tan white guy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 He was doing a Little Richard gimmick, so I think most people just came to the conclusion that he was also black. I don't think his race was ever discussed on the air at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ramo2653 said: As a black guy who was a in grade school during Badd's WCW run I liked him as a face I just wasn't crazy about his lack of a legit finisher compared to other guys. Also, I don't remember him being portrayed as black, and from watching a few WCW PPVs here and there on the network I don't remember anything. Was I just missing it as a kid? He always seemed like a tan white guy to me. I'm black and I completely thought he was a black guy back then. Either Mero was using the same serum as C. Thomas Howell in Soul Man or he's going to die of skin cancer b/c he was really dark. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Still laughing at Cristobal's addition there. Spoiler FFS HIS MAIN OFFENSIVE MOVE IS A GERMAN SUPLEX (well, okay make that suplexes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, cwoy2j said: I'm black and I completely thought he was a black guy back then. Either Mero was using the same serum as C. Thomas Howell in Soul Man or he's going to die of skin cancer b/c he was really dark. He seems to have had a procedure to remove his skin and replace it with vulcanized rubber, so he might be in the clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Quote CHAMPIONS MAKE CHOICES. CHOICES MAKE CHAMPIONS. Marc Mero’s “Time is Now!” Tour addresses the issues of bullying, suicide prevention, substance abuse, goal setting, dreaming big, making positive choices and achieving your highest potential. A former WWC and WWE Wrestling Champion, Marc has an extraordinary ability to connect with students and people of all ages and walks of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Captain Kronos said: 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Ha! Nice comparison. Mero would have done well to keep the mustache. Although given his teen audience, maybe he decided that was too creeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Wow, I had no idea Mero wrestled in the PR... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: I couldn't remember if the whole thing was Sid's idea or just hiring them. Sid talked about it in a shoot. He was the one who got them and Parker hired. He based it on a news story about Louisiana's governor getting into trouble with regards to gambling. So the idea was Parker was a casino owner the governor owed a lot of money to. To pay off the loan he gives Parker the two baddest convicts in the prison on work release. Which as an angle sounds good but visually was not going to fly even in 93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: Wow, I had no idea Mero wrestled in the PR... I saw that and chuckled, too. You'd think someone would have pointed it out to his people by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Victator said: Sid talked about it in a shoot. How's a Sid shoot interview? You know, with half a brain, and all? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Seems like a sharp guy with a good mind for wrestling. He insists that line was written by Russo and he asked multiple times if that was what Russo meant to write. Now if it was anyone but Russo I would question it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Supposedly, the idea with Kane and Kole as convicts was that they would eventually turn on their abusive white slave owner I mean, casino owner and become super babyfaces. 'Cause if there's anything wrestling audiences in the South are likely to cheer, it's two black guys portraying hardened criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Victator said: Seems like a sharp guy with a good mind for wrestling. He insists that line was written by Russo and he asked multiple times if that was what Russo meant to write. Now if it was anyone but Russo I would question it. Eh, Russo's a convenient excuse for what may well have just been a verbal mistake. But either way, good to know he's an interesting shoot interview. I'll have to seek him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Well its conveniant because its probably true. Dale Gribble: They are going to try to pin this on me and because I am guilty they will succeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Keep Calm, Akira Hokuto On said: Supposedly, the idea with Kane and Kole as convicts was that they would eventually turn on their abusive white slave owner I mean, casino owner and become super babyfaces. 'Cause if there's anything wrestling audiences in the South are likely to cheer, it's two black guys portraying hardened criminals. Black wrestlers got over big in WCW, when they were allowed to. Those Center Stage crowds were pretty diverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 14 hours ago, Cristobal said: Hide contents Brock would certainly fit the concept of the Übermensch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodzillaPerez Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Wasn't Sid talking to Hall and Nash? Technically one man does have half the brain of two men. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 hours ago, cwoy2j said: I'm black and I completely thought he was a black guy back then. Either Mero was using the same serum as C. Thomas Howell in Soul Man or he's going to die of skin cancer b/c he was really dark. In his shoot he talks about being backstage at a BET awards show during that time so he was fooling a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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