Craig H Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 GOAT 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 IMO Craig is Bobby Heenan to Stipe's Ric Flair at the 92 Rumble. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I'm so fucking spent right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setsuna Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Conditioning is an issue.. With that build, that's always going to be the case. He can make some adjustments in his game-planning so he doesn't gas in the first round but he'll never be a five round fighter. As an aside, I was imagining what it would be like having a first person POV camera in that first round when Ngannou was chasing Miocic down and just the thought scared the hell out of me. I'll give Ngannou credit for getting through the five rounds. Miocic never showed any urgency to finish the fight but Ngannou didn't find a way out for himself either, despite being able to barely stand upright. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Joe finally brought it up near the end of the 4th, but Stipe probably could have choked out Francis multiple times and I didn't know why he didn't. Dom said it's not Stipe's bread and butter and his next submission finish would be his first, but I'm guessing it was more a matter of Stipe not wanting to make a mistake and waste a ton of energy only to come up empty handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Great performances from Stipe & DC retaining against tough challenges. Both were super hard to pick, I ultimately went with Stipe's experience winning it like that though I didn't expect him to be so dominant. Definitely thought Volkan would be a bigger problem for Cormier but DC shut it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Francis Ngannou might be worse than Cheick Kongo. I mean yeah he looks big and scary. He hits hard, but he never had to fight a wrestler. We never saw him go beyond the second round. We never saw him in deep waters. We never saw him fight a guy as good as Stipe Miocic. Another day. Another hype train derailed. Stipe Miocic is the greatest UFC heavyweight champion in history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Also, I was hoping Stipe would say "if it bleeds, we can kill it," but alas, not this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Craig H said: Also, I was hoping Stipe would say "if it bleeds, we can kill it," but alas, not this time. I was hoping he would come out to the Predator theme music, which makes sense. Francis is the Predator, and Stipe is Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, Setsuna said: Time to find out what Ngannou is made of. A very low gas tank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Man, Vlady in the post fight press conference looks like he was in a car accident. Boy is fuuuuuuucked up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Craig H said: Joe finally brought it up near the end of the 4th, but Stipe probably could have choked out Francis multiple times and I didn't know why he didn't. Dom said it's not Stipe's bread and butter and his next submission finish would be his first, but I'm guessing it was more a matter of Stipe not wanting to make a mistake and waste a ton of energy only to come up empty handed. Based on his initial takedown attempts in IIRC round 3 and certainly round 5, the lactic acid buildup was in full effect. I think the chances of a submission were slim to none because trying to keep a guy that size down without him exploding back up is tough. Both of them went so hard in round 1 that there was no way it was going to last another round with just strictly striking. Running on the reserves actually benefited Stipe because all he had to do was use Ngannou's momentum as he marched forward and get a takedown. That's exactly what happened after Francis hurt him with that right hand. If Francis had stayed back and kept distance, that would have got really interesting. I think what ultimately made the difference in addition to what Miocic was able to do consistently was that fact Francis had basically leap forward just to throw a combination. Without movement, in order to land that one fatal punch, you essentially need to be right in front of him. When Stipe wasn't riding his back or in the clinch, he was at a safe enough distance...hell..virtually halfway across the cage from Ngannou after round one. I dunno what Fernand Lopez or Dewey Cooper were telling Francis in between rounds, but if it wasn't throw as soon as the round starts because Stipe isn't planning to give you time to walk him down, then it was the wrong advice. Throw without caution and make sure he doesn't clinch you and spin your back to the cage. Here is where working with a Neil Melanson (who I haven't seen since the Blackzilians implosion) or a Ricky Lundell or a Izzy Martinez would be beneficial for Ngannou because if you can defend an initial TD when you're dead tired, you should be able to seperate and force your opponent to come to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Stipe Miocic has never been a submission guy, just like Cain Velasquez. There were probably times in JDS/Velasquez II that Velasquez could've tapped or choked out JDS as well. Like the openings were there but he didn't go for them. Velasquez was more comfortable to just work over Dos Santos on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Miocic was probably planning to punch Ngannou until Brigitte Nielsen ran thru the crowd and threw in the towel. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, Hail Sabin said: Miocic was probably planning to punch Ngannou until Brigitte Nielsen ran thru the crowd and threw in the towel. I don't think that's what happened in Rocky IV. EDIT: Stipe Miocic claims he doesn't care, but he's clearly pissed with how he was promoted before this fight. And he's clearly pissed at Dana White for saying they "butted heads" in negotiations before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I would be pissed too. Stipe is awesome and has a great personality. Dude was counted out by the sportsbooks, basically counted out by Dana because they threw their weight behind Francis, and Stipe is the one cleaning out the division. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Eh the sportsbooks are stupid. Who cares? The sportsbooks are saying Daniel Bryan is going to come back at the Royal Rumble and win the thing, so they are all full of shit. If I was Dana I would just say "Dude us putting our weight behind Francis Ngannou helped you make a lot more money than you would've before." It's fight promotion. He shouldn't take it personally. Stipe doesn't like the attention or media stuff anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Glad the champs retained, I was hoping so. Well done Stipe Miocic becoming the first UFC Heavyweight Champion to defend the title three times in a row. Next challengers for Miocic and Cormier? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, TheVileOne said: Francis Ngannou might be worse than Cheick Kongo. I mean yeah he looks big and scary. He hits hard, but he never had to fight a wrestler. We never saw him go beyond the second round. We never saw him in deep waters. We never saw him fight a guy as good as Stipe Miocic. Another day. Another hype train derailed. Stipe Miocic is the greatest UFC heavyweight champion in history. Curtis Blaydes is a better wrestler than Miocic and the comparison to Kongo is ridiculous. I think it was a combination of poor strategy on Francis' part (spending everything so early) and nerves. He looked slower at the start of the fight than he did previously, he was more aggressive than he usually is (he's at his best countering), and tried to force things too much too early. I think he can learn from this, become a better fighter and will earn another title shot (even if he doesn't learn, he's good enough to beat just about every other heavyweight out there barring Cain if he ever gets healthy again). Heck of respect to Miocic for taking those early shots (and that one last great power punch in the third I believe), avoiding the pocket as best he could, and timing his takedowns perfectly. Oezdemir was really disappointing. He looked like he was throwing punches underwater they were coming so fucking slow at DC. He never had a chance. Yeah, I want DC/Gustafsson though with that POS Novitzky posturing already, I doubt Jones gets much of a suspension and will probably be welcomed back with open arms. Time to go back and watch the rest of the main card, though I'm guessing with how early the title fights were on they didn't go long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Oyaji said: Yeah, I want DC/Gustafsson though with that POS Novitzky posturing already, I doubt Jones gets much of a suspension and will probably be welcomed back with open arms. I'm also hoping for the Gus rematch and like you, doubt Jones gets the suspension he should. Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 History made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Noticed Stipe Miocic took the UFC Heavyweight Championship from Dana White and passed it to his coach to put the belt around his waist rather than Uncle Dana! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Two more: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, The Natural said: Glad the champs retained, I was hoping so. Well done Stipe Miocic becoming the first UFC Heavyweight Champion to defend the title three times in a row. Next challengers for Miocic and Cormier? Dana on the post fight show hinted at asking DC to come up in weight to fight Miocic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, The Natural said: I'm also hoping for the Gus rematch and like you, doubt Jones gets the suspension he should. Idiot. Just as no one who drew money in pro wrestling has ever been blackballed, no matter how awful their behavior; no one who draws money in the UFC is ever going to have to eat the suspension that they deserve. Whereas a Lyoto Machida would get the kiss of death if he pisses hot again, you can be assured that somehow Jones is going to be allowed to slide. Quite simply, he draws too much money to be discarded. The UFC has a real problem with picking the wrong folks to strap the rocket to. You have situations where they get exposed as not being all that and a bag of chips (see: Rousey, Ronda) or turn out to be unreliable headcases (see: McGregor, Conor). With so many falling stars that the UFC resembles a meteor shower, you can be assured that someone like Bones Jones who demonstrably puts asses in seats is going be welcomed back with open arms. Oh, we may see that paragon of moral fiber, Dana White huff and puff and make a few self-righteous tweets for appearances sake, but the bottom line is that he's going to be handing Bones a big bag of money and smirking about how they got one over on everyone. MMA is damn near as carny as pro wrestling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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