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ONE just got $166 million in new funding. They're looking to spend even if it means grossly overpaying people. Good for Eddie. Given his style, he can do more for ONE than UFC. They need to fill certain voids at the top of their roster and Alvarez gives them a marquee name they can trot around.

Invicta and WSOF/PFL are proof positive that it's hard for these smaller/niche/ international organizations to replenish the top fighters once they're gone.

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If you include the withheld purse, Khabib is suppose to making all together 7 to 10 million once the PPV units are accounted for.

Why would he be offered 15 million for Tony Ferguson

I don't think people even read reports from like MMAHotPocket.net or whatever sites report stuff like that anyway.

 

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Kayla Harrison is going to be on the 12/31 PFL show at the Hulu Theater where they crown all the tournament winners and whatnot. Running an MMA show in the U.S. on a Monday is different.

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I think it comes down to where the fight is at the 3:30 to 4 minute mark of round 1 if it goes that long. Jacare can give you a strong first round whereas I don't think Weidman has ever had an issue with cardio like that beside the Rockhold fight where both guys came in less than 100%. People gave Weidman props for years because of his performance against Andre Galvao in ADCC years and years ago now, but he really hasn't had to prove it against a real top level submission grappler. Rockhold is a pretty good grappler, but I would imagine Jacare's top game is different than Luke Rockhold. However, if Weidman can stop those initial takedown attempts if they happen, it's a whole different ballgame. It's different from the Brunson fight where a perfectly timed punch can get a somewhat unorthodox opponent out of there when you're exhausted. Didn't work as well prior to that fight with Whittaker or after that fight with Gastelum.

FWIW Branch has accepted Jared Cannonier as replacement opponent to stay on 230.

 

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1 hour ago, username said:

Eh, Jacare has look significantly slowed in his last few fights.  I think he would've beaten Weidman had they fought earlier, but I don't know if this Jacare is up to it.

So has Chris Weidman, who is more fragile than a glass ornament.

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Can someone clarify something for me? Someone somewhere else (I can't even remember where) said Max Holloway is still having health problems and no one knows what's wrong with him. Is that still the case? I thought he was clear and was all set to fight in December.

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No idea what's happening with Holloway. Sounds like it could be concussion or head trauma related. It could've resulted from his recent weight cuts. 

The damage that weight cuts do is real. Rafael dos Anjos claimed that he passed out three times cutting weight before the fight with Alvarez where he was knocked out inside the first round. 

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5 hours ago, Craig H said:

Can someone clarify something for me? Someone somewhere else (I can't even remember where) said Max Holloway is still having health problems and no one knows what's wrong with him. Is that still the case? I thought he was clear and was all set to fight in December.

Holloway vs. Ortega has been official for UFC 231 for weeks now and rumored for a good while before that. So whatever went on  on is no longer an issue and he got cleared.

According to Holloway, it had nothing to do with a concussion or weight cutting. If he was dealing with possible neurological issues, I'm pretty sure they would have sent him to an independent specialist before signing off on this fight. 

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Weight cutting is bad, because when you dehydrate a body, all the fluids get drier, including Cerebrospinal fluid. So instead of your brain floating around in a nicely high pressured water tank, it's rattling around in a dryer, lower pressure one. And then getting hit in the head, so it bounces around, means the brain damage is exacerbated more than if someone wasn't dehydrated. And it takes the body quite a while to generate new brain fluid, so even fully rehydrating won't necessarily fix  it.

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21 hours ago, Craig H said:

Can someone clarify something for me? Someone somewhere else (I can't even remember where) said Max Holloway is still having health problems and no one knows what's wrong with him. Is that still the case? I thought he was clear and was all set to fight in December.

The thing that worries me about the Holloway thing is that no one could actually give us an explanation of his "injury."  I said it as it happened, but I think he took more damage in the Aldo fights than Aldo did...Aldo is just the one who succumbed to that damage.  He pretty much let one of the biggest hitters in the history of the sport tee off on him until he could figure out his rhythm and time his counters.  Just because he didn't get knocked out doesn't mean he didn't take that damage.  How much time does it take to recover from the kind of damage that leaves you slurring your speech months after your last fight?

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According to multiple sources, there is a proposed deal on the table for the UFC to release former flyweight champion Demetrious Johnson from his contract in order to allow him to sign with ONE, and in return ONE will release former welterweight champion Ben Askren from his contract so he could finally join the UFC.

First of all there are trades in MMA? ?

Second of all where is the UFC getting it's advice on how to do trades, the General manager of the Giants and Jon Gruden

 

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that would be a terrible trade and i call bullshit on that.

ufc had lots of chance to sign Askren and never gave him a look. what's changed to make them release the only flyweight that matters? (at least until sergio wins the belt)

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Also the phony argument against Demetrious was that even though he was incredible fighter he was boring and nobody cared about him enough to put him in main events.  So you are going to get a guy that deliberately makes boring fights and that Dana has mentioned a ton of times is the kind of fighter he hates

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1 hour ago, twiztor said:

(at least until sergio wins the belt)

The Sergio who fought Cejudo the first time and the one who recently shit the bed against Formiga on the biggest possible platform he could be on ain't winning the title. He just isn't on that level and I never understood why folks wanted him to challenge for the belt so soon. 

Plus, he's fighting his next fight up at bantamweight so I think his future is probably there anyways. 

FWIW Alvarez said the UFC offer was good but he couldn't turn down the ONE deal. If ONE gave him a 10 figure guaranteed contract, they will also overpay Demetrious Johnson. The free agency market besides a few acquisitions by Bellator (all happening like more than a year ago even) has been lackluster for awhile. The one consistent FA draw (Rampage) Bellator did get technically was there before the Coker regime. ONE needs name fighters and they're exploring every option to acquire them. Time for something else.

Also...Brandon Vera better hope Cain Velasquez gets hurt again because he might end up there too. The can crushing run might come to a gruesome end.

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An addendum: Specifically with a company like ONE, they're not about to give up anyone of value. The folks anyone would care about like Angela Lee (or her brother Christian), Aung La Nsang, Martin Nguyen, or anyone of that ilk ain't leaving unless they are extremely unhappy with ONE. The reason it's someone like Askren is he doesn't fit what ONE is looking for just like he didn't fit what Bellator was looking for. UFC would rather pay Askren's contract than immediately overpay Demetrious Johnson. That's all this is. I guarantee UFC wasn't looking to get some big asset. If they were, they were not going to get one. ONE depends on those fighters to continue to get funding and guarantee folks show up for those cards.

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re: Sergio Pettis, i 100% agree. didn't know he was moving up in weight tho. it just seems like UFC has singled him out as this huge star, future of the division, etc. he's definitely shown a ton of improvements, but he's a long way from what they hype him as.

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Meanwhile Khabib got some of his purse released, but his (and Conor's) suspensions been extended indefinately, pending a hearing n Dec 10th.

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