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STAR WARS: LAST JEDI DISCUSSION (OH SO MANY SPOILERS HERE)


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The reason I don't need an explanation is because for decades I've been primed by the Star Wars franchise to expect deeper dives into someone's history or background in comics and books. The surface explanation in the movies was good enough for me, but I'm left hoping that there will be a book or comic book that gives me more.

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55 minutes ago, Craig H said:

The reason I don't need an explanation is because for decades I've been primed by the Star Wars franchise to expect deeper dives into someone's history or background in comics and books. The surface explanation in the movies was good enough for me, but I'm left hoping that there will be a book or comic book that gives me more.

Fair enough. Myself, I've always doggedly ignored the very existence of the "expanded universe". But in this case there wasn't really even a surface explanation; he was just there.

Thinking about it further, my problem with Snoke is really an aspect of The Force Awakens being a rehash of the original Star Wars. "Oops, they killed off the Emperor - oh well, we'll just create a new Emperor" is just lazy writing. If his plot role wasn't identical to Palpatine's his lack of explanation wouldn't grate nearly as much.

 

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12 hours ago, Technico Support said:

The only nitpick that comes to mind for me was the humor, which was very un Star Wars.  Prior films had far fewer laughs and of a different style.  The opening sequence between Poe and Hux, for example, was so different in tone, more Guardians of the Galaxy than Star Wars.  Not bad, just different enough as to be somewhat jarring for me.

That was the joke that jarred me as well. I thought plenty of other stuff worked fine, but that one threw me off, despite being somewhat amused.

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Also, when the ship was fleeing the New Order fleet, low on fuel, at one point did someone (I think Poe) say that the ship had "6 hours" of fuel left?  I could have misheard, my daughter was getting a bit restless and chatty, but that popped in my head after the movie.

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Though I will say - I have enjoyed going into all these movies spoiler free... except it leads to a lot of work on my part afterwards looking up what the fuck everyone's names are and the actors who played them

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1 hour ago, RIPPA said:

Though I will say - I have enjoyed going into all these movies spoiler free... except it leads to a lot of work on my part afterwards looking up what the fuck everyone's names are and the actors who played them

HAHHAAHAHAHA *slowly realizes he does this after almost every movie and he's awful at remembering names* ha...h...

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On 03/01/2018 at 2:44 PM, Beech27 said:

I have to think it's on purpose, given how didactic and self-aware the script was at times: Snoke lol'ing at the idea Rey must be a Skywalker, Luke's "laser sword" quip, Kylo's deal about killing the past, he and Rey breaking the lightsaber, Yoda's whole speech, etc. It's not Pygmalion, but by modern blockbuster standards, its very comfortable addressing the audience--and their expectations--pretty directly and seriously, beyond fan-servicey winks. (Though there certainly are those as well.)

Perhaps only an adult on a wrestling forum could draw such a highfalutin impression from what is every inch a tweenager film — with accompanying humour, action and narrative force — Disney film as it is.

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I think that’s probably the most accurate burn I’ve ever consciously decided to take as a compliment. After all, stories are stories, and I wasted too much money on grad school learning to dramatically overthink those that were nothing but pop entertainment and dick jokes in their day. Old habits.

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2 hours ago, Beech27 said:

I think that’s probably the most accurate burn I’ve ever consciously decided to take as a compliment. After all, stories are stories, and I wasted too much money on grad school learning to dramatically overthink those that were nothing but pop entertainment and dick jokes in their day. Old habits.

Don’t you let him attack you for thinking. Use that brain.

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  • 5 months later...

Finally FINALLY FINALLY sat down to watch this now that it's on Netlfix and I'm visiting my folks and they wanted to.

I guess I'm not astounded at all the problems people have with it. But man, I turn into such a kid watching a Star Wars movie that almost nothing is too hokey for me to enjoy. The only two bits that were a bit too cornball for me were BB8 commandeering that big walky robot and the ride through the casino where somehow no one ever falls off the space giraffe that is bouncing off of mountains.

If I have a general problem with it, it's just that it was so frenetically paced.

 

But I really really liked Luke's arc. I had been reading so many complaints that he was "apathetic" and "not Luke" but that really makes me wonder if people know what apathetic means. He clearly articulated a position he believed in, and it is one that people have been expressing about The Force and the Jedi in criticism for decades, which is that the Jedi are not egalitarian forces of goodness but a vain class or hereditary overlords. And, in fact, he articulated in just about the best way I ever heard anyone do it:

"And this is the lesson. That Force does not belong to the Jedi. To say that if the Jedi die, the light dies, is vanity. Can you feel that?"

Just because it's "strong in you" doesn't mean you get to wield it, control it, and use it control the lives of others. That was a really satisfying moment, to see that with all he had been through, he had actually thought through that and came to the same conclusion that a lot of people have over the years.

So I was a little iffy on his return to being a heroic figure, but that worked for me too because the counter-argument to that is "Sure, that's great and everything, but the dark side isn't ever going to abide by that. So if you have any role at all it is to counter them as much as you can."

In a weird way, it was almost like he was playing out the "Hey we shouldn't approach Nazis with violence because then we're just like them" vs. "Fuck Nazis if no one shows up to fight them then we'll all have a nice clean conscience when they take over" debate...and in the end he decided that as much as it might soil his newfound purity, his role in the world may not be to "rule" or "given" but it sure as fuck is to fight the dark.

I liked that a lot.  And Laura Dern kicks ass.

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  • 2 weeks later...

I just watched it. 

Was a very mixed bag and needed an editor. The plot with Luke, Rey and Kylo was great. The rest of it felt like Attack Of The Clones and Empire had an ugly baby. 

Everything visually looked amazing.

I think Snoke was not real and a front for a cloned Palpatine. I just don't see how a manipulator like Palpatine would not have had clones made, when preparing the clone armies. 

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I am on a Star Wars kick. I don't think Palpatine would need a clone body. I think he survived it outright, based on the scene where Leia survives in space. If Leia could do that, Palpatine could probably survive the Death Star blowing up. 

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