lostinube Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 18 hours ago, Thibs said: You watched most of this with Japanese commentary? I live in Japan. It's not required but I try to listen to stuff in Japanese when possible. I switched to the English for Omega/Jericho because Callis has been more involved in the angle than the Japanese commentary team and I felt it would add more to what was going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Meltzflakes out? Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 As of 1am, not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ace said: As of 1am, not yet. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevendaughters Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 it's out! post 'em! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevendaughters Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 found them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, sevendaughters said: found them Cheers, think it's Jericho first fiver from Meltz'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevendaughters Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I endorse these except the junior match which he overrates and the Rumble which he underrates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I think the Juniors and No DQ are too high, but I'm not surprised. Dave likes what Dave likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) I'd go something like: Roppongi 3k vs. Young Bucks **** Gauntlet *** Ibushi vs. Cody ****1/4 KES vs. Evil/Sanada ****1/4 Goto vs. Suzuki ****1/4 Jr. ***1/4 Tanahashi vs. White ** Omega vs. Jericho ****3/4 Okada vs. Naito ****3/4. Like to rewatch Goto/Suzuki, Omega/Jericho and Okada/Naito. I thought Okada vs. Naito was between ****3/4 and *****. Edited January 11, 2018 by The Natural Added matches I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 ; ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevendaughters Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I gave my marks upthread but within an hour of the close. Rewatched it the other day with English commentary and here are my updated marks. RUMBLE: *** - look they don't do Rumbles like the US, there's more standing about and the booking is non-existent other than who will win and maybe this guy will fight this old foe but it is FUN. R3K - Buxxx - **** - up from last rating. Really solid tag match and they probably could deliver more in a better spot. Sho and Yoh are legit and that is HEARTWARMING. Gauntlet - *** - it's one match Dave. Yano's timing is very good. Ibushi - Cody - ****1/4 - yep, very good, Cody can do it, this wasn't just Ibushi wrestling a broomstick. KES - LIJ - **** - exactly what was needed in the spot and Archer was GREAT. If the heavy tags could be "ten minutes of mayhem" then I am in. Goto - Suzuki - ****1/4 - Goto's extended selling of the choke was probably realistic but his flopping around a lot slightly took away from a very good and intense match. Ending was perfect, that simple symbolism that New Japan do well often and WWE occasionally get right. Jr 4 way - ***. Originally gave it a DUD to be provovative. There's enough good stuff around the annoying stuff, and it's unfair on the effort of Hiromu and the good bits that Scurll did (also cool entrance). Tana - Jay ***1/4 - back to the drawing board for Jay. Kenny - Jericho ****1/2 - slightly overlong brawl but really excellent in parts. Okada - Naito ****1/2 - quarter off for the trousers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Why the hell not NJ Rumble: how do you even rate something like this? It's fun as it happens, you'll never rewatch it. Jr tag: **** NEVER Six Man: *** (no way in hell I'm breaking it down into 4 separate matches) Cody/Ibushi ****1/2 IWGP Tag ***3/4 NEVER ****1/4 Jr *** IC **1/2 US **** (the finishing stretch belongs on an all-time classic, but I really didn't like the first half much at all) IWGP ****3/4 (quarter added for the swank pants @sevendaughters) 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, The Natural said: ; ) ; ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Never expected I'd think Dave underrated a Wrestle Kingdom main event--at least relative to the other stuff on the card--but here we are. I'm neutral on Okada's pants, but can see subtraction for his weak cobra clutch, which was used often enough to be kinda distracting. Still, I'd have it just ahead of Goto/Suzuki and HANDSOME BATTLE for MOTN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I don't think in star ratings but if I was to rank the matches (not going to include the rumble cause it was fun but would be hard to compare to the others) in order of greatness it would probably go: 1. Okada/Naito 2. Goto/Suzuki 3. Omega/Jericho 4. Cody/Ibushi 5. Young Bucks/Roppongi 3K 6. KES/EVIL & SANADA 7. NEVER 6-MAN 8. JR 4-WAY 9. White/Tana The top 5 are all great matches for sure and really my 3, 4, and 5 could change order if you asked me again tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thibs Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 hours ago, lostinube said: I live in Japan. It's not required but I try to listen to stuff in Japanese when possible. I switched to the English for Omega/Jericho because Callis has been more involved in the angle than the Japanese commentary team and I felt it would add more to what was going on. Ahhh gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Sublime said: I don't think in star ratings but if I was to rank the matches (not going to include the rumble cause it was fun but would be hard to compare to the others) in order of greatness it would probably go: 1. Okada/Naito 2. Goto/Suzuki 3. Omega/Jericho 4. Cody/Ibushi 5. Young Bucks/Roppongi 3K 6. KES/EVIL vs Sanada 7. NEVER 6-MAN 8. JR w-WAY 9. White/Tana The top 5 are all great matches for sure and really my 3, 4, and 5 could change order if you asked me again tomorrow. I'm with you. I don't give a shit about star ratings. I watch something and know if I'm in love with the match, if I just like it, if I'm bored by it, etc. So if I were to rank the matches, I'd probably rank it like that. Goto/Suzuki and Omega/Jericho are so very close though. If anything puts Goto/Suzuki over Omega/Jericho, it's how awesome Suzuki is and his post-match antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Oh yeah, I also listened to that Jericho podcast with Omega this morning. That was a really good listen. To piggyback off of the previous comments, while Kenny wanted to be portrayed as this god of wrestling, he wanted to be portrayed as Apocalypse. And then it all fell apart or was forgotten. I loved Kenny and Jericho talking about how Red Shoes was just repeatedly checked out during the match, which is par for the course for him. I know a lot of people love Red Shoes, but I think he's a fucking terrible ref. I've never seen another ref on this big of a stage just constantly zone out or do a poor job of being a ref. I liked that Jericho brought up to Red Shoes that the match was no DQ the first time he had Kenny in the Walls and Kenny grabbed the ropes. "It's no DQ you idiot!" That leads into a story from Kenny about how the chairs in Japan really suck and the chairs they used left screws, SCREWS, all over the ring. Red Shoes just stands there "dead behind the eyes" (as Jericho described him) and Kenny is like, DUDE, look at all these fucking screws. They then talk about how bumping onto a screw would be the worst thing ever and I don't think I disagree. Another part of Jericho and Kenny talking about the decision to have a no DQ match was Jericho talking about how Gedo was on the fence about having the match be no DQ, but Kenny convinced him it would work. They just wanted something to stand out. Jericho then mentions how it almost didn't matter anyway because 4 or 5 of the matches were practically no DQ because the NJPW refs don't fucking do anything to control the match. That's another complaint I've had about NJPW for a long time is that there is no consistency, just absolutely zero, with reffing matches. Look at the Jr. 4-way match. Scurll throws powder in Kusida's eyes, they're the only two fucking dudes in the ring besides the ref, the ref turns around and doesn't even sell that Kusida had powder in his eyes. I think there's a lot that NJPW does better than WWE, but reffing sure as hell ain't it. Anyway, the whole podcast was a really good listen. Yeah, Jericho is delusional, but sometimes there's a method to his madness. By the way, Jericho in talking about spots no one would see coming again referenced the RKO counter spot. The same RKO counter that happened to 2 or 3 other guys before it happened to Jericho. I laughed. Jericho just loves to think that he and Randy came up with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Red Shoes probably never reffed a No DQ match before so he was probably confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 or watched one as a lucha fan I can't really shit on inconsistency in referee work though, sometimes you just gotta say ehhhhhh it is what it is man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 To be fair, they did mention that they wanted him to kinda sorta try to ineffectually enforce the rules, to emphasize how unusual it all was. So if he looked confused at times, you could say he was working. In hindsight--or with reasonable foresight, honestly--this seems like maybe it wasn't the best creative choice. But, they also imply he messed up one or two other things that they just didn't want to specify. (Have to assume the blade fumbling is among them, though Omega is no veteran with that scenario either.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Craig H said: I know a lot of people love Red Shoes That's news to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 One other anecdote I forgot to mention from Jericho's podcast with Omega: He mentions Vince's reaction to the 'Alpha vs Omega' tagline being negative, that no one would get it. Which is funny, at first blush, that he can't turn off his promoter's instincts for a match that isn't even his. But it's funnier when Jericho mentions that the Alpha Entertainment news broke shortly after their phone call, and Vince probably just didn't want someone else using the word at the moment. (One other other thing: Omega talks about his v-triggers as affectionately as you'd expect, considering how often and emphatically he deploys them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevendaughters Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 btw I frickin love Red Shoes immensely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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