OCT 2017 WRESTLING JIBBER JABBER

[Bustronaut]

3 hours ago, Web Conn said:

The Rock? Kurt Angle? Brock Lesnar?

Lesnar was in OVW for 2 years

[Ultimo Necro]

Whatever they did in the old days for Vader, Hansen, Brody, Abby, Nord, Gordy etc etc, they just need to figure out that and make big entertaining scary dudes and dudettes.

Bottle that magic WWE... somehow...

or just hire Jeff Cobb and Keith Lee to add to the HOSS division!

[Ryan]

6 hours ago, RIPPA said:

Keith Lee

He's been wrestling 12 years. Was he good that long before anyone knew who he was? He wrestled on crap Texas Indies for years.

[bobholly138]

First saw Keith Lee,on video, 5 years ago and you could see he was starting to put everything together. Then 3 years ago saw him live and he had it all figured out.

 

 

[SirSmUgly]

Nia always seemed too nice. Like, you can be nice and still be imposing and physical, which is how I think of someone like Awesome Kong. Nia, though, seems like a sweetheart...and she hits like one, too. Way too light for her own good, even for a company where working light is preferred (unless you're Brock Lesnar). 

I also support her if she really is willing to walk and go back to modeling because her booking isn't what she wants. I root for wrestlers with options. I mean, real options like Nia and Enzo have, not "options" like Dolph Ziggler's "comedy" career, and yes, I think the scare quotes are appropriate here. 

[Victator]

1 minute ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Nia always seemed too nice. Like, you can be nice and still be imposing and physical, which is how I think of someone like Awesome Kong. Nia, though, seems like a sweetheart...and she hits like one, too. Way too light for her own good, even for a company where working light is preferred (unless you're Brock Lesnar). 

I also support her if she really is willing to walk and go back to modeling because her booking isn't what she wants. I root for wrestlers with options. I mean, real options like Nia and Enzo have, not "options" like Dolph Ziggler's "comedy" career, and yes, I think the scare quotes are appropriate here. 

I feel like if they had options they would not be wrestling. I think it could help Nia if she could work with Aja Kong or even working with men. People she could lay into without fearing for their safety. 

[caley]

8 hours ago, Tromatagon said:

Thank you Jinder

 

http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/wwe-q3-financials-revenue-and-profit-numbers-beat-expectations-245251

Saw some online jibber jabber that they expect Cena to return and take the title off Jinder at...Wrestlemania?!  I didn't think they'd be willing to keep the title on him that long...but if business is better than expected...

[Victator]

18 minutes ago, caley said:

Saw some online jibber jabber that they expect Cena to return and take the title off Jinder at...Wrestlemania?!  I didn't think they'd be willing to keep the title on him that long...but if business is better than expected...

It will be an Empty Arena match. 

[mattdangerously]

10 hours ago, Dewar said:

I think he was speaking more of super-heavyweights/really tall guys. 

Bob Holly.

[SorceressKnight]

7 hours ago, Ace said:

Only 1 of the 3 you mentioned actually taught wrestling. Dusty ran the promo classes and Regal is a scout.

The actual wrestling trainers currently at the PC are: Matt Bloom, Sara Amato.Norman Smiley, Robbie Brookside, Scotty 2 Hotty, Shawn Michaels, Steve Corino, and Terry Taylor.

And Amato splits time between the PC and going on the road.

 

So, correction- the Head Coach in the Performance Center (and thus someone who'd likely teach men and women) is Giant Bernard and he couldn't teach Nia how to work like a monster?

[mattdangerously]

2 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

So, correction- the Head Coach in the Performance Center (and thus someone who'd likely teach men and women) is Giant Bernard and he couldn't teach Nia how to work like a monster?

It's possible she's just always going to be shit.  Warrior worked with a bunch of good workers, and he was always shit.

[Victator]

33 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

It's possible she's just always going to be shit.  Warrior worked with a bunch of good workers, and he was always shit.

He improved a lot by 91 before he disappeared. Which came from working with guys like Rude, Honky and Savage. He was never the same after Summerslam 91. But he had gotten good by then. 

[sydneybrown]

57 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

So, correction- the Head Coach in the Performance Center (and thus someone who'd likely teach men and women) is Giant Bernard and he couldn't teach Nia how to work like a monster?

In fairness, in the WWE system Albert is a guy who missed and missed and missed and missed and missed.  He got more aborted pushes than Davey Boy Smith.  Hopefully his teaching is soley based on that one Albert/Kane match that we all rave about.  Not sure what else his WWE career has to go on.  

[Brian Fowler]

3 hours ago, sydneybrown said:

In fairness, in the WWE system Albert is a guy who missed and missed and missed and missed and missed.  He got more aborted pushes than Davey Boy Smith.  Hopefully his teaching is soley based on that one Albert/Kane match that we all rave about.  Not sure what else his WWE career has to go on.  

HEY! There were two good Kane matches.

[Sky Blue Sam]

13 hours ago, Ace said:

Only 1 of the 3 you mentioned actually taught wrestling. Dusty ran the promo classes and Regal is a scout.

The actual wrestling trainers currently at the PC are: Matt Bloom, Sara Amato.Norman Smiley, Robbie Brookside, Scotty 2 Hotty, Shawn Michaels, Steve Corino, and Terry Taylor.

And Amato splits time between the PC and going on the road.

 

Isn't Sarah Stock the head women's trainer at the PC nowadays?

[Brysynner]

9 hours ago, Victator said:

It will be an Empty Arena match. 

And they'll still make a net profit

[Victator]

If the TV rights hold. 

[RIPPA]

Speaking of the TV rights - for those curious. From yesterday's WWE Q3 report

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The company pushed the new television negotiations. The deal with NBC Universal expires on September 30th, 2019, while deals in the United Kingdom and India, the other two largest revenue television deals, expire on December 31st, 2019.

They are targeting a new U.S. deal and announcement sometime between May and September of 2018.

 

[OSJ]

9 hours ago, sydneybrown said:

In fairness, in the WWE system Albert is a guy who missed and missed and missed and missed and missed.  He got more aborted pushes than Davey Boy Smith.  Hopefully his teaching is soley based on that one Albert/Kane match that we all rave about.  Not sure what else his WWE career has to go on.  

Oddly enough, the mid-carders and guys that missed and missed again are likely much better teachers than the superstars like Shawn Michaels. Look at baseball, how many great hitters and pitchers became great coaches? Very, very few. Your great coaches were guys like Walt Hriniak who had to work his ass off just to keep a job, whereas someone like Ted Williams or Rogers Hornsby (arguably two of the greatest hitters who ever lived), were incapable of teaching what they did. When you're doing something at an almost superhuman level, (say it with me!) "You Can't Teach That!".

I'd be willing to bet that Norman Smiley and Matt Bloom are light-years ahead of Shawn Michaels as teachers.

Nia Jax needed (and deserved) a LOT more training in NXT. Working as a monster is way, way harder than one would think. You're always going to be scared to death of hurting someone and building the skill and confidence to keep that fear in check is not an easy thing by any means. For large size folk, Braun "got it" faster than anyone else I've ever seen. From day one the only knock on him was that he looked like he was nice as pie. I couldn't buy him as a monster when he looked like the neighbor who shovels snow out of everyone's driveway and plays Santa for the kids at the community center. Some minor tweaks to his appearance fixed that and he grasped the concept of "less is more" far faster than most. Hell, guys that have been around twice as long are still trying to figure out the balance and he's already got it down cold.  He's only 34, so we may be watching someone who will turn out to be pretty special.

[Dog]

1 hour ago, RIPPA said:

The company pushed the new television negotiations. The deal with NBC Universal expires on September 30th, 2019, while deals in the United Kingdom and India, the other two largest revenue television deals, expire on December 31st, 2019.

They are targeting a new U.S. deal and announcement sometime between May and September of 2018.

Didn't they try that last time, only to find out no one but USA wanted them?

Or are they just planning to announce the same old deal as some kind of huge success?

[Sublime]

You forget that Vince will always always always think WWE is far more mainstream and pop-culturally important than it is so he is probably going in thinking that he can get a large deal. He's probably not delusional enough to think it's going to be NFL big but I could see him expecting something along lines of the NHL but not as long (and there for not as high of a total figure). And like last time his hopes will be crushed like the hopes of so many midcard wresters in WWE history.

[Dolfan in NYC]

11 minutes ago, Dog said:

Didn't they try that last time, only to find out no one but USA wanted them?

Or are they just planning to announce the same old deal as some kind of huge success?

Yes.  But you never know unless you try?   

I'm sure Vince and other executives have been quietly approached about rights for their product.  Whether or not they actually get a deal that's worth it is another thing. 

[RIPPA]

Mookie summed it up nicely

Chris' timeline yesterday is a really good follow for breaking down this stuff. (Even if you only understand like 25% of it like me)

[RIPPA]

Also - if you are super into the $$$ side of the WWE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrPvPzFmAkU

It's the Wrestlenomics Podcast

The episode linked talks about yesterday's call

[Web Conn]

So Mania has the likelihood to be Brock vs Roman - Universal Championship and Cena vs Mahal - WWE Championship. Yuck.

We are getting Brock vs Roman I've accepted that. I don't like it but I've accepted it.

I really don't wanna see Cena vs Mahal at Mania. I would like one of the World Championship matches at 'Mania to not be completely despised by the entire audience. At this point I think Cena is the only one beating Mahal for the Championship.  I'd rather the match be at Clash of Champions in December. I mean I'd much rather have Nakamura beat Mahal for the Championship but that ship has sailed for the WWE Brass. But I just really want the Jinder Experience to be over.

I think there would be something poetic in John Cena starting off 2017 winning his 16th World Championship and tieing Flair's record and ending 2017 winning his 17th World Championship and breaking Flair's record.

Believe it or not I'd like to see Cena vs AJ vs Nakamura for the WWE Championship at Mania, even if Cena left as champion I'd be ok with it. That triple threat match would be really good and a great way to use AJ and Nak as anything involving Cena during Wrestlemania season is going to be treated like a big deal and get pushed heavy. When Cena's 17th reign happens (hopefully December) I think it's going to be a long one. If you're going to do a historic 17th reign go all out and have it be the longest reign of the "Modern Era" cuz you gotta stick it to CM Punk somehow. 

I wouldn't be too upset with Cena holding the WWE Championship from December '17 to Wrestlemania 36 in April '19. At least with Cena as opposed to Jinder I know that he can have a good match with anyone and can cut a promo and it actually interesting. I'd much rather have AJ or Nakamura hold the Championship for 15 months but that ain't happening.

As for Jinder, where do you go after the Championship run is over? I think his schtick might work better as US champ but Idk if I or anyone for that matter wants to see Jinder with another Championship too soon after the current run is over. But I can see the argument of keeping Jinder as a focal point of SmackDown even if he's not WWE Champion as to still push him hard in India.

If anything I think the best use of Jinder Mahal at Mania believe it or not would be to have him in the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. The final two are Jinder and Mojo Rawley and this time, Mahal's buddyy Arjan Bhullar gets involved helps Mahal eliminate Rawley and Mahal wins the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal.