The Green Meanie Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Well, he was never a face to begin with, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 According to the internet, yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I find Booker terrible. Another guy who only puts himself over and his contributions are only detrimental and or negative to the guys on screen. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: I find Booker terrible. Another guy who only puts himself over and his contributions are only detrimental and or negative to the guys on screen. I do like how he and Cole love The Drifter which annoys Graves to no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawful Metal Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 So if Neville can never again challenge for the Cruiserweight belt, does that mean he gets to wrestle on the normal Raw roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I'm hoping Neville will come out one week to answer the US Title Open Challenge eventually to put him over on SDL. But with Neville now seemingly gone and Enzo carrying the 205 Live brand, it's going to crash and burn even faster than it has been. I don't know what they could do at this point to turn it around, but an Enzo vs The World story isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Yeah, god forbid they put an act on 205 Live that the crowd actually gives a shit about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamal Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I enjoyed the Mickie/Alexa segment too. Mickie has always been underrated on the mic. Her Smackdown promo with Maria, opposite LayCool, was the one Saving Grace from that horrible Piggy James storyline. That and her pinning Michelle in like 5 seconds. The last time she and Alexa wrestled, it wasn't that good though. But I'm willing to give them a second chance with this storyline since I like both and see the potential. Plus, this has been brewing since they were both on Smackdown. I liked the women's tag too. I'm assuming we are finally going to get that turn soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Sam Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, Casey said: Yeah, god forbid they put an act on 205 Live that the crowd actually gives a shit about. I think basing 205 Live around heel Enzo isn't going to make anyone tune in who doesn't already watch, but it might well drive away those who do. Enzo is a channel changer of s character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 23 minutes ago, Sky Blue Sam said: I think basing 205 Live around heel Enzo isn't going to make anyone tune in who doesn't already watch, but it might well drive away those who do. Enzo is a channel changer of s character From what I've read his segments usually draw the highest quarter hours during the show. That's why he and Cass got so much tv time for their feud. Don't know if that'll translate to 205 Live though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 24 minutes ago, Sky Blue Sam said: I think basing 205 Live around heel Enzo isn't going to make anyone tune in who doesn't already watch, but it might well drive away those who do. Enzo is a channel changer of s character I think it's worth noting that while you may not like Enzo (and I don't either), he is literally the opposite of a channel changer - his push has been the result of the ratings going up during segments involving him and Cass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: I find Booker terrible. Another guy who only puts himself over and his contributions are only detrimental and or negative to the guys on screen. I think the people who give Booker credit for being a good heel commentator are giving him too much credit. He seemed completely oblivious at times last night. I enjoy some of his wacky one-liners, but he strikes me as being unprepared, and has a tendency to either talk over stuff or simply bury talent with his one-liners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Re: Enzo and ratings Meltzer mentioned on the radio show this morning that moving him to 205 Live (and the cruiserweight segments on RAW) has meant no difference in the ratings outside the first week he showed up on 205 Live. Dave also said that for now the WWE only cares about subscriber numbers and everything else is secondary (ratings, house show draws, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Dave also said that for now the WWE only cares about subscriber numbers and everything else is secondary (ratings, house show draws, etc...) Sorta makes sense in the new age a la carte television and streaming services.. Ticket sales for shows is one time only revenue and that is offset by the costs of a marketing campaign and other factors (including papering the venue) and television ratings do not translate immediately to cash. Subscriber numbers is steady revenue that you can count on if you maintain or increase the number of people that pay to receive content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Oh man... Elias done fucked up... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Is the gimmick that Neville can't wrestle for the title ever again, or just while Enzo is champion? The biggest example of Elias fucking up is being stuck in a feud with Titus O'Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Michael Sweetser said: The biggest example of Elias fucking up is being stuck in a feud with Titus O'Neil. Mike - why do you hate kayfabe? why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Mike - why do you hate kayfabe? why? *gestures vaguely towards Mike "diving" gif* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Casey said: Yeah, god forbid they put an act on 205 Live that the crowd actually gives a shit about. Seeing how he came out and powerslammed Enzo after the show went off the air, I think WWE wants us to all to interpret that as Braun being part of the 205Live now. I mean, I wouldn't put it past Vince to do that now that he's murdered Braun's aura... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brysynner Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 9 hours ago, caley said: Lastly, I think Booker T is the best heel color commentator they've had in years. Graves is too flip-floppy for my liking, going to bat for some heels (Like Bliss), then going overdrive to praise the faces that it's clear Vince has instructed him to praise (Jordan, Reigns etc.) often at the expense of people he generally praises (Like Miz tonight). The thing with Graves is he's consistent. He's always praised Jordan due to his personal friendship with him (has he mentioned it on WWE TV or was that just on NXT TV?). Reigns is the type of character Graves would like. The two people who annoy him the most (Elias and Enzo) get the brunt of Graves ire due to the fact that they are loud and obnoxious. Reigns just goes out there, says what he needs to say and then beats the hell out of someone. There's a clear line with Graves (the only exception being his love for Eva Marie when she embodied most of the traits that he does not like about other wrestlers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 27 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Mike - why do you hate kayfabe? why? Okay - kayfabe, Titus is more experienced and is bigger and stronger, which is not a good matchup for someone like Elias. And don't hate on my dive. It went as planned, which is more than Titus can say for half the shit he tries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Has a company ever shown so much contempt for one of their own wrestlers like the WWE does with Enzo? I know he must have pissed everyone off. But man, they are going above and beyond to make him take his lumps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 For a guy they supposedly don't like, they sure do give Enzo a lot of TV time, merch, and now a title. Sure, he takes a beating every time he's on camera, but at least he's on camera, right? And sure that new shirt is trash, but at least he has shirts, right? I don't know what the company thinks of him anymore. As for him as champ, I could see him weaseling out of matches and running his mouth for a while since that plays to his strengths. Plus it gives the other cruisers something to really aim for since anyone who challenges him could probably take the title (they wanted to challenge for the belt before but then they had to fight Neville which is much more intimidating). I'm not saying it's going to work, but it could. Especially if Enzo starts hiring goons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCM Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 12 hours ago, Hagan said: WWE going full SNME and having nothing acually happen in the last 1/3 of the show is so bonkers. It's almost like they're begging USA to drop the third hour. "Look we don't give a shit about it, and neither should you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Does the company dislike Enzo or is it just the roster Enzo has heat with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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