Raw is Cena vs. Strowman - 9/11/2017

[Dolfan in NYC]

[RIPPA]

Also announced - Roman Reigns vs. Jason Jordan

Kurt Angle hates his fake son

[Ryan]

They will each cost each other their matches. Braun will get angry and beat up Jason Jordan and throw him off the arena.

[caley]

5 minutes ago, Ryan said:

They will each cost each other their matches. Braun will get angry and beat up Jason Jordan and throw him off the arena.

Hopefully they re-use this exact sequence, replace McMahon with Angle, in the same outfit, of course..
 

 

[Niners Fan in CT]

I like Stroman vs. Cena but it'll be interesting to see what Vince does once he's out of bullets.  He doesn't have any left in the chamber post-No Mercy.  

[Godfrey]

I was going to say, do they have enough high profile first time matches for the next 17 weeks or are they going to tone it down once the seasons under way?

[Dolfan in NYC]

All I know is the clear signal with all these matches is, after No Mercy, Cena's 100% gone until the trumpets blare at #30 in January. 

[Ryan]

He'll immediately be thrown out by #29 Strowman.

[Overly Critical Man]

Braun wouldn't be finished with him yet.

[Rehabilitated Rick]

re: Cena/Roman I'm over all the shooty bullshit, at least when Punk was doing it came from a raw pissed off organic place or even the Cena/Rock program which was a real life feud playing out in front of the cameras, not some pre-approved exposing the business by mentioning how many ''great'' matches one has had and ticket sales, who friggin cares? isn't the goal in wrestling to ultimately win? It's all so transparent and hokey, just kick each others asses, give me some pull apart brawls not some tongue in cheek breaking the fourth wall nonsense that everyone knows is bullshit. It might entertain the vocal minority, but it's garbage to me. The line about Roman not passing a piss test definitely was eyebrow raising though. Outside of my gripes with that this was a fun show, Roman/Jordan & Braun/Cena were solid, Brock/Braun feud continues to be awesome, a Dean Malenko cameo, Miz's destruction of Enzo (which yes exposed Enzo, but was real) and a fun main event.

[hammerva]

Do you think all the heels have a bet in the locker room to see who could be the first to get even a slither of good heat on Enzo Amore.   I mean unless you are running a show with only his family it seems almost impossible.   Who ever does it should be a champion for 4 - 6 months

 

[piranesi]

Weird that RAW ended at like 10:15 tonight, huh?

[HumanChessgame]

2 minutes ago, Rick said:

re: Cena/Roman I'm over all the shooty bullshit, at least when Punk was doing it came from a raw pissed off organic place or even the Cena/Rock program which was a real life feud playing out in front of the cameras, not some pre-approved exposing the business by mentioning how many ''great'' matches one has had and ticket sales, who friggin cares?

This is my gripe with it as well.  They also don't work for me because in most cases because the person going on offense (especially Cena and Miz) are either being completely hypocritical or the actual substance of their promos is easy to pick apart or debunk.  It's just "get your shit in and make the other person look bad" as opposed to doing something compelling and competitive.

I missed the first hour and kind of half assedly watched the rest as I've been unpacking from a vacation but nothing else tonight really stood out.

 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

The Yankees game was enjoyable. Raw, eh, was just kind of there to check in every so often.

[Hagan]

Two "shoot" promos on one show was stretching it.

Of course, the big news is Maryse is with child. Congrats to them. 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

4 minutes ago, Hagan said:

Two "shoot" promos on one show was stretching it.

Of course, the big news is Maryse is with child. Congrats to them. 

It concerns me that Corey Graves said he's excited for a baby Miz in a few months. Nine months isn't a few. Is he counting on Maryse having a preemie? 

* Yes, I know that's not how it was supposed to be taken.

[Hagan]

I think it's more that people have a very liberal interpretation of what defines "few."

Anyone ever tell you they'll be over in a few hours? Cue like an eight hour wait. 

On the downside, that puts the kibosh on the act for the foreseeable future though Miz and Maryse definitely seem like they'd be down to King Maxel their kid. You can literally imagine a  Miz toddler dressed up in some ridiculous outfit to help them get heat. 

[MADCAP]

7 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said:

This is my gripe with it as well.  They also don't work for me because in most cases because the person going on offense (especially Cena and Miz) are either being completely hypocritical or the actual substance of their promos is easy to pick apart or debunk.  It's just "get your shit in and make the other person look bad" as opposed to doing something compelling and competitive.

 

 

 

THIS. This is my whole issue with their respective promos. Makes me instantly root for Roman and Enzo. 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

1 minute ago, Hagan said:

I think it's more that people have a very liberal interpretation of what defines "few."

Anyone ever tell you they'll be over in a few hours? Cue like an eight hour wait. 

On the downside, that puts the kibosh on the act for the foreseeable future though Miz and Maryse definitely seem like they'd be down to King Maxel their kid. You can literally imagine a  Miz toddler dressed up in some ridiculous outfit to help them get heat. 

I hope she actually is pregnant to spare us the angle where Enzo accidentally knocks her off the apron and she miscarries.

[odessasteps]

I thought they had a kid already but Google says otherwise. 

[Spritenaut 32]

Roman bragging about how great business was and how many tickets he was selling amused me greatly when I read Meltzer's recap.  I would have liked hear more about how great business is with him on top, but I was watching the NFL game.  Maybe I can make time to catch the segment later this week.  But probably not.

[Rehabilitated Rick]

Enzo fucking up a spot then immediately grabbing a mic midmatch to discredit Miz's wrestling ability was fucking hilarious as well. 

[Phantom Lord]

I thought the whole point of sending Enzo to 205 was to get him off RAW. I guess Vince loves seeing him get beaten up. Enzo has to be one of the most unlikeable people in the company if The Miz is roasting you like that.

[Beech27]

Among the many problems with the Cena/Roman segment: For worked shoots to... well, work, a significant portion of the audience has to believe what's being said, so that having it voiced inside the fiction is shocking and cathartic.

Whether it was true when Triple H told Cena he just wasn't a very good wrestler, a lot of the audience believed it, and that belief fueled interest. That segment of the audience has either come around entirely on Cena as a worker, or they grudgingly admit he's stumbled in to quite a bit of good stuff somehow. Whatever fraction is left holding out most likely hates Reigns anyway, so they're not going to get behind his argument there like they did when Punk told Cena he hated the idea that Cena was the best, or Bryan said he didn't respect him as a wrestler. 

Even still, that strained credulity less than Roman trying to compare their respective drawing power. It's also a weird time to suggest Cena's a Hollywood flop, considering his name was just floated to headline Shazam.

Cena wasn't great either, but his points were at least grounded in reality, which matters when you're "shooting".

[kafkonia]

So I'm pretty much only reading recaps at this point, but based on what I'm reading, has Roman actually turned heel by this point? He certainly comes across that way in text.