Elsalvajeloco Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Just now, Casey said: Lesnar already responded to Jones' call out: So, uh, I guess this is a thing that's going to happen next year then. Cool? It depends on if and when Brock rejoins the testing pool. Also, this might be a negotiation ploy to get more money from WWE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Everything Brock Lesnar does is a negotiation play to get more money from the WWE. And it has worked because is desperate to keep him as their main star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 From the presser portion with Dana - Looks like Holm wants to fight Cyborg (we'll see) - Whittaker needs more time to heal his knee - Looks like Lawler might get the next WW title shot And obviously, Bisping vs. GSP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Fuck Big John for those 7-8 extra shots on DC, BTW. That was a late call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 I thought it was a good stop. DC was trying to recover but Jon made damn sure he didn't. Plus, BJM is going to give fighters in the biggest fights all the chances high level fighters deserve to recover. Happened in the FW title fight in June. Happened here so he is consistent. In addition, Cormier has been hurt badly before and recovered to win fights. Also, everyone knows Cormier would rather go out on his shield. Thems the breaks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 DC was eating shots and not moving his hand off the mat to cover up. Evinger was doing a better job of protecting herself by that point in her fight. DC ate 8 punches to the head without moving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: From the presser portion with Dana - Looks like Holm wants to fight Cyborg (we'll see) That's going to be such a sad day here in New Mexico. Greg Jackson's gym just might turn into a black hole of angst and suck the whole city of Albuquerque in after it. (Not that that would be such a bad thing...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Woodley gets worked AGAIN. I feel bad for that dude. Dana tells him to his face in front of everyone that Bisping vs GSP is done and if he beats Maia then it's Woodley vs GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, Ace said: DC was eating shots and not moving his hand off the mat to cover up. Evinger was doing a better job of protecting herself by that point in her fight. Evinger and Cormier are two different fighters though with two different histories of responding to being hit. Moreover, the Evinger fight isn't a standard really since at no point was she in the fight. Mike Beltran and BJM are two totally different referees with two totally different ways of officiating a bout. The assigned referees discuss with the fighters beforehand how they are going to call the fight and part of that is what happens when a fighter gets hurt. An integral part of that is past history in fights and the level of fighter you are. Tonya Evinger and Daniel Cormier on two different levels. McCarthy was going to give Cormier every chance to recover with all that taken into account. He isn't going to let you lose the title on some bullshit early call. If you lose your belt, it's going to be clear cut with no controversy. Jon Jones won decisively with no controversy so mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Big John is one of the few referees that gets the benefit of the doubt, and I think he has earned that. I can see watching it in hindsight that there were probably four or five punches where DC was already out but in real time its just not that easy. The punches weren't landing super clean, and title fights tend to get a bit more leeway. If he had stopped it a few punches too early, even with the outcome inevitable, if DC had gotten back up it just would have been another controversy which is the last thing UFC needs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 1 hour ago, OSJ said: That's going to be such a sad day here in New Mexico. Greg Jackson's gym just might turn into a black hole of angst and suck the whole city of Albuquerque in after it. (Not that that would be such a bad thing...) I will believe it when I see it. Holm probably has the best shot of being competitive against Cyborg, but she also flaked on the fight before when Cyborg fighting in the UFC went from not being feasible to actually happening. 57 minutes ago, Craig H said: Woodley gets worked AGAIN. I feel bad for that dude. Dana tells him to his face in front of everyone that Bisping vs GSP is done and if he beats Maia then it's Woodley vs GSP. If he threw out his shoulder during the first round, I don't really blame him for his strategies in rounds 3-5. I think Maia deserves as much as the blame if not more than Woodley for the quality of the fight. After missing every takedown in the first three rounds, you HAVE TO change up your strategy. You're not going to get this guy down. You gotta throw punches and go all out. You may never get another title shot again. Shit, you went a whole seven years and three months between title shots. You have to put it all on the line. This doesn't include shooting takedowns with no setup and stopping on your knees midway through a takedown. Even as the best jiu-jitsu to MMA convert ever, at that point, Maia had as much of a chance winning that bout standing as he did on the ground. You might as well throw left hands and try to catch Woodley as he backs straight up, which he does all the time. Woodley did exactly the bare minimum to keep the belt (remember when people criticized Aldo post WEC for doing this), but this is another fighter in consecutive fights w/ an awful game plan in engaging Woodley. Woodley has a great uppercut and a great straight right hand, but it's not like he is throwing them from crazy angles. You can't be in the fear zone for 25 minutes. But hopefully, if Woodley stops Lawler again, he gets another shot at the GSP payday. 27 minutes ago, Kevin Wilson said: Big John is one of the few referees that gets the benefit of the doubt, and I think he has earned that. I can see watching it in hindsight that there were probably four or five punches where DC was already out but in real time its just not that easy. The punches weren't landing super clean, and title fights tend to get a bit more leeway. If he had stopped it a few punches too early, even with the outcome inevitable, if DC had gotten back up it just would have been another controversy which is the last thing UFC needs. Referees have been doing a much better job over the last two years at least at not falling for the "throw fast strikes in quick order on a downed opponent" (in many cases, looking back at the ref to let them know) to convince a referee to stop a fight. Just because you throw strikes on the ground in rapid succession and land some of them doesn't mean the ref should stop it automatically. If you're landing pinpoint shots that are effective, then that should get the stoppage. At some point, Cormier went out briefly and was woken back up but still clearly concussed (w/ the benefit of hindsight of him pushing Big John for stopping it early until DC saw the replay). If you're facing down like three inches off the mat, the referee can't laid down on his stomach to look at your eyes to tell if you're glassy eyed. Without that key indicator, it's a judgment call. Big John's judgment was that Cormier is a resilient fighter, and he was going to stop it when it was certain his resiliency wasn't going to save him or his title reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Someone who knows MMA way better than me, tell me, is there any reason I should think Lesnar has a chance in this hypothetical fight against a Martian, other than the likely 40-60 pound weight difference? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Lesnar would have two chances, Slim and None. And Slim just left town. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Brian Fowler said: Someone who knows MMA way better than me, tell me, is there any reason I should think Lesnar has a chance in this hypothetical fight against a Martian, other than the likely 40-60 pound weight difference? Most likely, Jon is going to bulk up to fight Lesnar (like he did for Ovince St. Preux last year) and ideally he should be between 215-225 for optimal performance. He said he was 217 in the cage against Cormier last night. Even though I am not as skeptical of the OSP fight as others (again, he broke OSP's arm and tossed him around at will), he shouldn't be doing the bodybuilding stuff. The submission grappling match I can understand because he was going to be out of the cage for awhile. However, at the same time, he can thoroughly beat Lesnar with or without that muscle. It is just the former makes it more important to fight a more efficient fight instead of doing ineffective techniques to make the win flashy. Maybe he can hit Brock with a spinning kick or something crazy Winkeljohn or Brandon Gibson taught him, but the best strategy is going with the clearest avenues to win the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Can I just say that, yeah Jones looked really good and was back to being Jon Jones, but Cormier was right with him until he got high kicked to hell. Even though he lost and might have been trailing a bit (I heard that two judges had it tied and one had both rounds for Jones, which sounds reasonable) I thought that was actually the best I've seen Cormier look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, username said: Can I just say that, yeah Jones looked really good and was back to being Jon Jones, but Cormier was right with him until he got high kicked to hell. Even though he lost and might have been trailing a bit (I heard that two judges had it tied and one had both rounds for Jones, which sounds reasonable) I thought that was actually the best I've seen Cormier look. He was starting to slow down dramatically in the third round though. I'm guessing that was because Jon was hitting him in the body a lot earlier. Hence, why DC bit on Jon going high on the kick instead of to the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 On 7/30/2017 at 5:33 AM, Elsalvajeloco said: I thought it was a good stop. DC was trying to recover but Jon made damn sure he didn't. This. I felt bad for DC but I'd rather see a fight end convincingly than with woulda coulda shoulda. Sad to see DC get beat down, but good to see Jones somewhat humble in victory for a change. Dana White really bugs the shit out of me. Sure, the Woodley / Maia fight wasn't exactly exciting, but what is wrong with supporting your champion and getting the masses to appreciate the minutiae when an intelligent fighter is working his gameplan? It's not Woodley's fucking job to hand his title over to Maia; it is Maia's job to beat the champion. It's not like Woodley sandbagged. He stuffed takedowns and executed a solid strategy. I was a bit annoyed because I felt that Tyron could've finished Maia before the Championship rounds but hey, at the end of the day he is the WW champ and I am prepping a closet full of blade servers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yeah, but there's a difference between 'doing just enough to win the rounds' and 'winning decisively'. And Woodley was closer to 'doing absolutely nothing at all' for an awful lot of the 25 minutes. Is Dana really going to hear all those boos and tell them they were wrong and it was a great, exciting piece of non-stop action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 hours ago, AxB said: Yeah, but there's a difference between 'doing just enough to win the rounds' and 'winning decisively'. And Woodley was closer to 'doing absolutely nothing at all' for an awful lot of the 25 minutes. Is Dana really going to hear all those boos and tell them they were wrong and it was a great, exciting piece of non-stop action? What I am suggesting is that he at least acknowledge, appreciate, and promote Woodley's fight acumen even if he personally hates the fight and believes that Woodley was being overly cautious. Even with Woodley "'doing absolutely nothing at all' for an awful lot of the 25 minutes" he stuffed over 21 takedowns against the #1 contender for his title and a guy who is a submission machine and wins by taking you down.. That should count for something. People already refer to the sport as human cockfighting. Why not answer those detractions by pointing to a clear example where a champion is defending his title in an intelligent manner albeit a tedious one? After all, we are talking about the guy who won the title via KO seconds into the first round against a freestyle fighter and his last three title defenses have been against some sort of specialist and he's won every time. You don't fight guys like that the same way you'd fight a freestyle guy unless your goal is to loose your meal ticket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If they're still calling it Human Cockfighting after 24 years,there's no hope for the fuckers. We already have one Demetrious Johnson, we don't need another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, AxB said: Yeah, but there's a difference between 'doing just enough to win the rounds' and 'winning decisively'. And Woodley was closer to 'doing absolutely nothing at all' for an awful lot of the 25 minutes. Is Dana really going to hear all those boos and tell them they were wrong and it was a great, exciting piece of non-stop action? I wanna know why Dana was surprised. Remember what happened last time Maia had a title shot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_K Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yeah - that incessant hating on Woodley at the press conference was bullshit. Find yourself a fighter who can beat him or even force him to go up a gear, or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Woodley is ferocious as hell. He's gone through Maia, Wonderboy, Lawler, Gastelum, and way way back he has a win over Condit when Condit hurt himself. In that time, he lost to Rory. You would think that Woodley was someone like Ben Askren the way he gets hated on, but then again, Ben is his training partner and Dana is stupid, so maybe that's where it comes from. I don't know...I think it's bullshit to give Woodley anyone but GSP at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Really enjoyed the show. My wife even enjoyed the show! Really liked the Lawler fight. Liked Evinger surviving a couple of rounds. DC/Jones fight went pretty much how I envisioned it, except I didn't expect Cormier to look that composed. First two rounds looked nice for him, but as soon as the third started I figured it was about to go down hill. Jones just was just so oppressive with his pace that 5 rounds felt like an inevitable disaster for DC. While the Woodley fight wasn't great theatre, I definitely was impressed with him batting a thousand on the take downs. He seems like a douche, but hating on what he did in that fight seems a little ridiculous. Took a lot of skill and focus. Not surprised Dana took the GSP fight away. Hasn't Dana complained about GSP being a bit boring too? He probably envisioned a nightmare scenario of two guys methodically circling each other and throwing some jabs for half an hour after that fight. I actually liked the idea of the two fighting, but I'm kind of into the Bisping match more so I'm good either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Craig H said: I don't know...I think it's bullshit to give Woodley anyone but GSP at this point. The fight they wanted to make was Bisping vs. GSP. They needed an excuse to remake that fight and the Maia fight + the severity of Whittaker's injury gave them an out. That's all this was. That's why I was thinking midway through round 3...if Woodley doesn't finish Maia in the next five minutes or so, he has lost the GSP fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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