J.T. Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, odessasteps said: I'd say while there have been Time Ladies for decades, the idea of potential gender swapping only goes back canonically (I think) to Gaimans first episode for Matt Smith. Of course, probably safe to say, generally speaking, Who fans might be more accepting of change than Bond fans. There have been nine James Bonds (including the three from Casino Royale slapstick thing) and thirteen "official" Doctors. None of them have been ethnic and only one has been a woman. I'd say they were roughly equally resistant to change, but Whovians to their credit were ready to embrace change when it actually happened. 11 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Of course folks would accept Bernie Casey. Or else. That would've been the best time for a spin-off franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 5:57 AM, MarcosLoura said: We're never getting Idris Elba right? He's 45. So...no. How about let's let Daniel Craig finish the role and give the man some respect before start fan-casting the role like stupid European betting websites that are hot garbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Its interesting listening to the James Bonding podcast, especially this week as they re-reviewed Spectre and went over things that seemed awesome in draft 1 before they got dropped for draft 2 that led to Purvis/Wade coming to re-write everything (apparently drat 1 & 2 didn't have the Bond/Oberhauser connection and made Blofeld an African Warlord). I'm hopeful for Boyle to deliver something different . I swear if EON bought on Boyle to give "BOND GOES ROGUE AGAIN!" I'm gonna fuckin scream! James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 12 hours ago, J.H. said: Its interesting listening to the James Bonding podcast, especially this week as they re-reviewed Spectre and went over things that seemed awesome in draft 1 before they got dropped for draft 2 that led to Purvis/Wade coming to re-write everything (apparently drat 1 & 2 didn't have the Bond/Oberhauser connection and made Blofeld an African Warlord). Why re-image Blofeld to be African? Why not re-import and update Dr. Kananga? I'd lose my shit if they cast Idris Elba as Dr. Kananga and sent him off on some scheme to control the OAU and set himself up as the de-facto leader of the continent under the guise of a seemingly benevolent anti-colonialist billionaire. You could even keep Kananga's former drug dealer portfolio and make his company a Pan-African pharma giant that developed a cure for Ebola and that's what gives Kananga his geo-political street cred.. The plot writes itself. Too bad that the some of the locations I'd like to see this dream movie shot have nuclear hot political climates. I guess we'd be shooting the Kenya live shots in New Zealand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I mean Kanaga or Blofeld work for tha type of character. Then again I'm still washing the bad taste of Spectre out of my mouth 2 yers later so any thing would be better James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 13 hours ago, J.T. said: Why re-image Blofeld to be African? Why not re-import and update Dr. Kananga? I'd lose my shit if they cast Idris Elba as Dr. Kananga and sent him off on some scheme to control the OAU and set himself up as the de-facto leader of the continent under the guise of a seemingly benevolent anti-colonialist billionaire. You could even keep Kananga's former drug dealer portfolio and make his company a Pan-African pharma giant that developed a cure for Ebola and that's what gives Kananga his geo-political street cred.. The plot writes itself. Too bad that the some of the locations I'd like to see this dream movie shot have nuclear hot political climates. I guess we'd be shooting the Kenya live shots in New Zealand. Who would be the reimagined Baron Samedi.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 hours ago, J.T. said: Why re-image Blofeld to be African? Why not re-import and update Dr. Kananga? I'd lose my shit if they cast Idris Elba as Dr. Kananga and sent him off on some scheme to control the OAU and set himself up as the de-facto leader of the continent under the guise of a seemingly benevolent anti-colonialist billionaire. You could even keep Kananga's former drug dealer portfolio and make his company a Pan-African pharma giant that developed a cure for Ebola and that's what gives Kananga his geo-political street cred.. The plot writes itself. Too bad that the some of the locations I'd like to see this dream movie shot have nuclear hot political climates. I guess we'd be shooting the Kenya live shots in New Zealand. Wouldn't that be labeled as stereotypical, problematic and racist in this day and age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 18 hours ago, J.T. said: The plot writes itself. Too bad that the some of the locations I'd like to see this dream movie shot have nuclear hot political climates. I guess we'd be shooting the Kenya live shots in New Zealand. If Takashi Miike can shoot a movie in Kenya, I think Danny Boyle should be able to. A location scout was gunned down in Mexico while scouting for this upcoming season of Narcos...they preceded as normal. Just mind your p's and q's and you'll be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, TheVileOne said: Wouldn't that be labeled as stereotypical, problematic and racist in this day and age? How so? It would be no more of a cautionary tale about the perils in placing your trust in a benevolent strongman than we've already seen in African politics whether it be Jacob Zuma's corrupt regime resting on the laurels of Mandela or Robert Mugabe's dramatic fall from grace or what have you. It would only be racist if Kananga today were treated like the blaxploitation comic book villain caricature from LIve & Let Die. 11 hours ago, odessasteps said: Who would be the reimagined Baron Samedi.? My re-imaged Dr. Kananga wouldn't have the Caribbean voodoo trappings, so no Baron Samedi. I think I would have some sort of Al-Shabab angle that would probably get me shot and give Kananaga some sort of paramilitary force masquerading as a terrorist organization that would go around causing mayhem and destabilizing governments to the point that they would be eager to take the carrots offered by Dr. Kananga. The leader of the paramilitary group would be one of Kananga's henchmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, J.T. said: My re-imaged Dr. Kananga wouldn't have the Caribbean voodoo trappings, so no Baron Samedi. Could you not swap Caribbean voodoo priest for (for lack of a better term) African witch doctor? Or at least someone who plays with the trappings of one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Could you not swap Caribbean voodoo priest for (for lack of a better term) African witch doctor? Or at least someone who plays with the trappings of one? I think that would be pushing into the realms of racism that Vile One mentioned earlier since not all African tribal / shamanistic traditions are created equal. I suppose you could make Kananga's paramilitary group use some sort of death cult persona as a cover (still might earn you the scorn of Al-Shabaab) and make the leader assume the role of a spiritual leader who thinks he's the avatar of Gaunab, Adro, or maybe Yeban. I'd love to bring in Solitaire as Bond's love interest, but I think her gimmick would also be tricky to import. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I was thinking of someone like the Teen Titans villain Houngan, who is using super science disguised as magic for his gimmick. (As we know, a favorite trope of mine) a guy exploiting the stereotype, etc. And yes, he is a voodoo guy but again, you could transpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: I was thinking of someone like the Teen Titans villain Houngan, who is using super science disguised as magic for his gimmick. (As we know, a favorite trope of mine) a guy exploiting the stereotype, etc. And yes, he is a voodoo guy but again, you could transpose. Super Science you say? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I think Live and Let Die wouldn't be quite so racist if it didn't strongly imply every single black person in both Louisiana and Harlem are part of the drug trade of Kanaga. It's a shame how problematic that movie is, because Bond bring thoroughly outsmarted by a black man should've been a big deal. Abd Christ, Kotto was fucking great in the roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: It's a shame how problematic that movie is, because Bond bring thoroughly outsmarted by a black man should've been a big deal. Abd Christ, Kotto was fucking great in the roles. Which is why I think a modern reboot with my story line and Elba as Dr. Kananga would be fucking boss in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 If we're going to wipe away the overt racism of the Bond franchise shouldn't we remake "You Only Live Twice" first? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, J.H. said: If we're going to wipe away the overt racism of the Bond franchise shouldn't we remake "You Only Live Twice" first? James Or start at the beginning with Doctor No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Yes to all those. Everything you need to know about You Only Live Twice's racism and misogyny is that Austin Powers used a line word for word in a nearly identical context as a joke about racism and misogyny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 5:55 PM, J.H. said: If we're going to wipe away the overt racism of the Bond franchise shouldn't we remake "You Only Live Twice" first? James What Odessa said. First we remake Dr. No and then we move on Live & Let Die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Campbell Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 3:05 AM, Brian Fowler said: I think Live and Let Die wouldn't be quite so racist if it didn't strongly imply every single black person in both Louisiana and Harlem are part of the drug trade of Kanaga. It's a shame how problematic that movie is, because Bond bring thoroughly outsmarted by a black man should've been a big deal. Abd Christ, Kotto was fucking great in the roles. Read Fleming's original novel. A few pages in and there's mentions of the Japs, Chinamen, and Negroes (and Mr. Big's car being driven by a Negroess). The novel is still pretty bad ass though, way better than anything in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Mike Campbell said: Read Fleming's original novel. A few pages in and there's mentions of the Japs, Chinamen, and Negroes (and Mr. Big's car being driven by a Negroess). The novel is still pretty bad ass though, way better than anything in the film. Oh I'm aware of how racist the book is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 7:20 PM, TheVileOne said: He's 45. So...no. How about let's let Daniel Craig finish the role and give the man some respect before start fan-casting the role like stupid European betting websites that are hot garbage. Roger Moore was 46 when Live and Let Die came out. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Pete said: Roger Moore was 46 when Live and Let Die came out. Just saying. Yeah, and Roger Moore was the worst James Bond in cinematic history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I think Moore has his good movies and his bad ones. Live & Let Die is a good one and The Spy Who Loved Me. I think For Your Eyes Only is criminally underrated. I mean fuck can you really say Connerey wasn't awful in Diamonds Are Forever or that Thunderball might benefit from beign maybe 20-30 minuts shorter? I think my major regret is that Lazenby quit before he could really grow into the roll. If nothing else he wasn't afraid of decent stunt work (the belly slide with machinegun at Piz Gloria is probably a top 3 action/stunt for me) James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Lazenby was great, he just had the unfortunate circumstance of following Connery with a Bond with a really depressing ending. Moore got away with it since Live and Let Die followed the standard formula. I would've loved to see how Lazenby handled the rightously pissed and looking for revenge Bond in Diamonds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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