nate Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Matt D said: Can they make a deal with WB where he joins the Justice League? har de har har 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 They kind of have to reboot with how much MCU was involved. Also as much as people keep saying they would still have Holland and Watts does anyone know if either wants to do without Feige/Marvel Studios involvement? 2 minutes ago, nate said: Crazy question: Could Sony make a deal with Universal to do a Spider-Man Sinister 6 film where he enlists the help of the Incredible Hulk (but not Ruffalo)? Just now, Matt D said: Can they make a deal with WB where he joins the Justice League? I imagine the answer to both of these is no. Actually I don't think Universal could even make a Hulk movie if they wanted. Their rights involve distribution opposed than owning the character and his universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I don't care I'd love to see some more of Miles and Spider-Gwen and I'd have more faith in those getting done under Sony than whatever plan Marvel has for Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Matt D said: Can they make a deal with WB where he joins the Justice League? He could team with the Squadron Supreme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I don't care I'd love to see some more of Miles and Spider-Gwen and I'd have more faith in those getting done under Sony than whatever plan Marvel has for Peter. I'm not sure what your point is. The talk right now is just about the live action movies. Its not like this was a plot to get the entire thing back so more of Miles sand Spider-Gwen was happening anyways. Edited August 22, 2019 by Eivion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If I'm a Sony intern, I'm hijacking the social media thing and saying we're going to slip him into the Snyder Cut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Eivion said: I'm not sure what your point is. The talk right now is just about the live action movies. Its not like this was a plot to get the entire thing back so more of Miles sand Spider-Gwen was happening anyways. It's the classic "Marvel sucks, ________ rules!" shit that Niners has always been on. Just instead of DC this time, it's now shifted to Sony for the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Casey said: It's the classic "Marvel sucks, ________ rules!" shit that Niners has always been on. Just instead of DC this time, it's now shifted to Sony for the moment. Yeah, I mean, general rule, if Casey and I agree, then there's something to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Matt D said: Yeah, I mean, general rule, if Casey and I agree, then there's something to it. Well that's a shocker. ------ Hollywood Reporter says that Holland has the option for another movie (even though Sony has plans for two more), and Jon Watts has completed his contract and is free to explore other projects. According to them, Disney wasn't going to leave (more) money on the table, and Sony thinks the can do live action Spidey movies without Feige since they've seen it in action twice now and they had a relative hit with Venom and a major success with Spider-Verse. Basically both sides got too cocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) And that is about what I figured happened. The balance was always delicate. I suspect just about any deal that would have led to Disney getting more money would have been rejected. Sony has seen too much success both because of Feige and MCU and w/o them. It makes sense that they feel they know enough to succeed on their own again. Venom's success was really what pushed to me that this was going to happen. Thought it was weird how many people kept throwing Holland's and Watts's names in like it was a certainty either would want to continue. I mean they might, but its weird to just assume it. It would be better for Sony to reboot anyways if they are going it alone. Saying that, I still think of most of Sony Spider-man expansion ideas for films are generally terrible. Edited August 22, 2019 by Eivion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Jesus fucking christ. Another Spider-Man reboot. What a neat idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Its a fucking terrible idea. its just the best one if Sony wants to do it all by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If Watts is out, hell, what's Edgar Wright doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I don’t think Watts is all that important to the franchise. The direction of these movies has been nothing special. All the action sequences go through the Marvel pre-viz ringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Keeping the same directors for the franchises is a part of the Marvel plan now, though. Granted Spidey isn't with Marvel Studios anymore, but it's why Watts is important to the Spider-Man formula. The direction might not have been nothing special, but Watts has been with this iteration of Spider-Man since the beginning and understands it (same with the writers, McKenna & Summers). Take all of that away, plus Tom Holland if he doesn't want to continue, and at that point you definitely might as well reboot the entire thing. Edited August 22, 2019 by Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Casey said: It's the classic "Marvel sucks, ________ rules!" shit that Niners has always been on. Just instead of DC this time, it's now shifted to Sony for the moment. What are you talking about? My point is clear. Sony has done a lot of positive things with the Spider-Man IP. I'd have more faith in them expanding the Spiderverse and doing a good job with it than whatever Stark Jr. plans Marvel has lined up for Peter. Not that the Holland movies have been bad or anything, I think they've been solid but he and the rest of his expanded universe is always going to take a backseat to whatever pet project the MCU has going on at the time. Your problem is the same problem that all obsessive MCU fans have. Weren't you one of the people who thought 20th Century Fox being bought up is a good thing because now the MCU can make X-Men movies? Yeah, I mean that's cool and all but the super MCU fan base never see the bigger picture. What's going on with Disney isn't "good" for cinema. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AxB Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I don't see the need for a reboot. The Avengers are basically disassembled at this point, most of what ties Peter to the wider MCU is less of a factor with Stark dead, and there's a big rogue's gallery of villains in Spidey's world anyway. He's spent the last two and a half movies he's in trying to be a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man and getting dragged into bigger issues he'd rather have avoided, yes? Just do that. He already helped save the world, let him save the neighbourhood for once. Vulture told Scorpion he didn't know who Spider-Man was. J Jonah Jameson told the world who Spider-Man was. There's a logical next step to that, and it doesn't need Sam and Bucky showing up to tell it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) I'm looking at this like a comic book fan. Trading being part of the Marvel Universe for a shared Venom and Carnage universe is like the 90's all over again.. when I didn't like Spider-Man comics. Oooh, maybe we'll get the Clone horseshit! Edited August 22, 2019 by Johnny Sorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Isn't that what killed Marvel in the first place and had them selling off their rights to all these characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Isn't that what killed Marvel in the first place and had them selling off their rights to all these characters? Yes and no. That was definitely a major disaster creatively, but it was more terrible business deals and decisions that crashed the company. Buying a comic distributor and trying to squeeze the market is a big part of what killed the comic book industry (and gave Diamond their monopoly). Buying not one but two trading card companies after the bottom fell out on trading cards. Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I hope with them bringing J.K. back to do his iconic role, that they eventually bring back Alfred Molina to play Doc Ock, so they can do the Superior Spider-Man story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Both sides are assholes here. Disney shouldn't have opened the negotiations at 50%, that's just arrogant. At the same time, Sony flew this plane nose-first into the ground with Amazing Spider Man 2. They had plans for a third movie and pulled the plug, that's how bad they fucked up this franchise. MCU saved their asses and brought it back to life. Sony thinking they can pull off the training wheels and do it themselves now is like an accident victim who broke both legs deciding to give up crutches after an hour or two like "nah man, I'm good, let's go for a run!" Disney wanted more money for carrying a dead franchise on their backs, but asked for too much. Sony's suits are as short-sighted and misunderstanding of their product as the guys running the DCU who skipped steps 2-10 and jumped right to Justice League because they were envious of that sweet Avengers money. Everybody sucks here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Disney opened the negotiations with "at least 30%". Edited August 22, 2019 by Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: I hope with them bringing J.K. back to do his iconic role, that they eventually bring back Alfred Molina to play Doc Ock, so they can do the Superior Spider-Man story. As a fan of the Superior Spider-Man, I'd like to see that in live-action at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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