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31 minutes ago, CreativeControl said:

That's not it at all, it's been a charming and funny touch that has subverted what people expected coming into this. Has it been borderline infuriating in parts? Yes. Has it been important to the grand scheme of things? TBD.

The whole Dougie thing is starting to feel more and more deliberate to me in the sense that ‘The Return’ is more than just a title signalling the return of the show or a return to the town of Twin Peaks, it’s a show completely about returning.

I get some viewers are frustrated with the patient, deliberate awakening of Dale Cooper but I’d argue now that the long chapters of Cooper shuffling through Dougie’s life aren’t a distraction from the story – they are the story. It's totally about Agent Dale Cooper’s lingering return from a quarter-century on another plane.

While we may have wanted the show to be about Dale Cooper breaking free from the Waiting Room and confronting his Doppleganger and righting those wrongs perpetrated in his name, it’s more about the odyssey of trying to return to the past—to a youthful vigour long lost, to a once razor-keen mind now clouded, to a world left behind. No matter how fully Cooper recovers from his current state, no matter how much of his crisp professional shine or his piercing intelligence or his charming eccentricity he regains, he will never be the Dale Cooper he knew, or the Dale Cooper we knew, because that man existed 25 years ago.

When we visit Twin Peaks in the brief scenes we’ve had it is death, age, and loss looming all over the town with this searing, sweet honesty, and it’s beginning to feel that Dale Cooper’s journey is a microcosm of that – no road, however mystical, can take him (or us) back to the past. No map can guide us into our youth again. We can only go into the future and do our best.

Dougie has gone beyond borderline for me.  People interpreting the meaning of the title just sounds like a way to make an excuse for Lynch and Frost on the weaker aspects of this season.  It's not even over yet.  How do we know that's even truly what they mean?  Lynch is a vague person in general about his meanings.  He doesn't like to offer straight answers.  And that's fine.  I just don't like Dougie.  

And sorry CreativeControl, Cooper as Dougie is NOT the whole story.  Especially when we went through the last episode without visiting Dougie at all.  Another episode, the only visit for Dougie was a 30 second shot his not son trying to play catch with him.  

Not all of the Twin Peaks scenes have been like as you describe either.  Now maybe Lynch and Frost are having some sort of meta-commentary here about the whole nostalgia era, and people desperately longing for the things they loved or think they loved but are no longer here.

I think my overall problem with Dougie is how everyone just goes along with this guy who can't even communicate and is clearly addled or suffering from some type of brain damage.  Everyone just accepts it and goes along with it.  It's beyond the most absurd things that were ever depicted in the first two seasons of the show.  It's become bad comedy.

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34 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

I think my overall problem with Dougie is how everyone just goes along with this guy who can't even communicate and is clearly addled or suffering from some type of brain damage.  Everyone just accepts it and goes along with it.  It's beyond the most absurd things that were ever depicted in the first two seasons of the show.  It's become bad comedy.

That in and of itself I view as a pretty apt commentary on the faceless and mumbling yes-man that has become prevalent in society. For a lot of people I think it’s very easy to slip through the cracks and say one word a month without anyone noticing these days so as to not rock the boat or offer an opinion that might cause issues, whether that's at work or at home. Ever since Cooper arrived, Dougie's marriage has improved, his boss has noticed his work, he's become a hero etc etc

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I remember a scene at the doctor's where Janey-E was saying that Dougie had a stroke or something which was before the Coop bodyswap.  I imagine Bud Bushnell and his coworkers know that and are treating him accordingly. I think it's a weirdly sweet aspect in such a dark show.

As great as the original series is, I probably have it fourth or fifth in my overall David Lynch rankings. I'd go Mulholland Drive, Fire Walk With Me, Lost Highway, Eraserhead, then the original series.

I was more excited to see new David Lynch material then to see Coop farting around or whatever. So, maybe that's why I'm loving this season so much. I've really enjoyed some of the expanded mythos given to the lodges and the supernatural parts as well. That aspect has always been more intriguing to me than the wacky hijinks of the townspeople.

 

 

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12 hours ago, brocklock said:

I remember a scene at the doctor's where Janey-E was saying that Dougie had a stroke or something which was before the Coop bodyswap.  I imagine Bud Bushnell and his coworkers know that and are treating him accordingly. I think it's a weirdly sweet aspect in such a dark show.

As great as the original series is, I probably have it fourth or fifth in my overall David Lynch rankings. I'd go Mulholland Drive, Fire Walk With Me, Lost Highway, Eraserhead, then the original series.

I was more excited to see new David Lynch material then to see Coop farting around or whatever. So, maybe that's why I'm loving this season so much. I've really enjoyed some of the expanded mythos given to the lodges and the supernatural parts as well. That aspect has always been more intriguing to me than the wacky hijinks of the townspeople.

 

 

They mentioned him having a car accident and going into episodes that made him appear catatonic.  That I can understand, but what he's going through is clearly more than just an episode, and it's abnormal behavior.  His doctor should at least have had his head checked and shown the audience the results of that.  

Excusing the way characters are acting around Dougie by saying he had catatonic episodes in the past because of an accident is really cheap, hand-wavy nonsense.  

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On 8/18/2017 at 2:54 AM, CreativeControl said:

I'm amused the incredulity of how people act and react around Dougie is your biggest bugbear after some of the other absurd shit we've seen.

WHY ARE THREE BROTHERS ALL WORKING TOGETHER AT THE SAME POLICE STATION>?!

Because Dougie is dumber than that.  In the kooky world of Twin Peaks, I can suspend disbelief for the Fusco brothers.  Not the Dougie business.

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I don't think anyone really thought Lynch would drag it out this long, or at least they hoped he wouldn't. Each week I was thinking this was going to be the one where he snaps out of it. Instead, it was more of the world's luckiest imbecile stumbling into good fortune again and again. He's a complete moron yet somehow manages to do everything right. It's like watching Forrest Gump.

I'm glad Lynch didn't do 18 hours of fan service. It wouldn't be like him to just rehash the old series. But I thought at the very least we'd get more than four or less hours with the central character. I didn't expect him to be 100% the same old Cooper after being trapped in limbo for 25 years, but I did expect more than a fraction of a percentage point. He was such a unique, dynamic character, and it's a drag to watch him stumble around mindlessly while we get teased week after week with him going back to normal. The problem isn't the choices they made for the character, it's that it's taking so god damn long. Dougie's been spinning his wheels for weeks.

I've liked a lot of the rest of the show. I'd rather have this than no third season, but if Cooper really does come back in the last episode, then there damn well better be a fourth.

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On 8/17/2017 at 4:26 AM, TheVileOne said:

Not all of the Twin Peaks scenes have been like as you describe either.  Now maybe Lynch and Frost are having some sort of meta-commentary here about the whole nostalgia era, and people desperately longing for the things they loved or think they loved but are no longer here.

 

 

I stopped watching awhile ago so maybe I should shut up. But there is something in this that captures some (not all) of Lynch for me. It's this thing where something can be really smart, brilliant even and have a really subtle and challenging message like this and it will be like

"Hey, that sounds like a great idea for a subtext in something like this."

"Cool. Wanna watch it?"

"Okay. How long?"

"18 hours."

"Fuck you."

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Norma and Ed finally ended up together. It was nice of them to give us a positive resolution to a long-running storyline. We haven't gotten much of that so far.

Cooper heard the name Gordon Cole in Sunset Boulevard and electrocuted himself! Surely this is what finally wakes him up, right? RIGHT?!?!

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On 8/23/2017 at 0:42 AM, Travis Sheldon said:

Anyone here think Judy is Garland Briggs?

Is Audrey in her own version of the Black Lodge that looks similar to the Waltons' house?

The Log Lady bits were a nice tribute to her.

 

A lot of people think Audrey's off her rocker and Charlie's her doctor. Could be. She's awfully confused and seems to be agoraphobic.

I've also seen some suggest she's still in a coma and this is all in her head, which is just dumb.

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On 8/22/2017 at 2:17 PM, Throat said:

Norma and Ed finally ended up together. It was nice of them to give us a positive resolution to a long-running storyline. We haven't gotten much of that so far.

Cooper heard the name Gordon Cole in Sunset Boulevard and electrocuted himself! Surely this is what finally wakes him up, right? RIGHT?!?!

One would think but I doubt it.  Fucking David Lynch.

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That was so awesome! My heart just about exploded during the hotel scene with Diane and company. I thought for sure Lynch was going to take something away after giving us back Coop. And the maudlin scene at the casino was classic Twin Peaks poking fun at hammy melodramas and soap operas but done so well that I still felt all emotional. And we got Eddie Vedder auditioning for Indiana Jones: The Musical. 

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I'm gonna miss surly cheeto and Wendy's loving hillbilly Jennifer Jason Leigh.

I'm in utter shock at how funny Jim Belushi is here. I've liked him in supporting roles but usually in dramas like Thief, Salvador, or The Ghost Writer. When he's doing comedic work he's godawful, but his reactions and facial expressions here are hilarious. Robert Knepper also deserves kudos. The Mitchum Brothers might be my favorite of the  new characters.

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I've had a negative opinion of Belushi since David Cross ripped on him on one of the Mr. Show DVD commentaries way back when. But he was hilarious in all the right ways in this and I was laughing hard during the limo scene and when the brothers witnessed the shootout. 

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Man, I didn't like how Richard Horne was jobbed out after being possibly the most deplorable and evil character this season.

That Diane reveal was unexpected, is she the eyeless woman who came through the portal then? "I'm at the sheriff department!" can't mean much else surely?

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16 hours ago, Oyaji said:

I've had a negative opinion of Belushi since David Cross ripped on him on one of the Mr. Show DVD commentaries way back when. But he was hilarious in all the right ways in this and I was laughing hard during the limo scene and when the brothers witnessed the shootout. 

Way to undersell Sonny Jim's introduction to finger sandwiches. 

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