The Iron Yuppie Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Craig H said: I thought the same with regards to Jinder being a good guy. If he's more dedicated to his craft now, then I hope he achieves, and he has, a great deal of success. I just think that success came way too fast. By the way, if you want an example for what someone should look like if they do what Jinder says he did, then look at Chris Pratt. PrattPrattPratt went from pudgy Andy from Parks and Rec to being in great shape as Star-Lord over the course of a year. He did that by cutting out beer, pizza, and other junk food and hitting the gym 5 days a week. What he wound up looking like over a year or a little under a year was someone pretty muscular and not pudgy looking. Jinder in that same amount of time went from looking soft to looking like Scott Steiner-lite. You don't achieve that much mass and that vascular look with diet changes and exercise alone. At least not in that span of time. I don't know if I'd automatically assume an A-list actor is the best example of getting jacked naturally. There's almost as much gas in Hollywood as wrestling. This article's an interesting example: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-steroid-use-a-list-609091 Pratt's almost as big as Big Dave here: I don't mean to derail the thread, I've just found the HGH/steroid phenomenon in Hollywood fascinating, given that in other avenues (wrestling, baseball) it's led to government investigations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Michael Sweetser said: That's a bit over the top - Jinder and the Singhs (new band!) are of Indian descent, just not "true-born". This is a promoter who had two Puerto Ricans work a matador gimmick, originally gave Kenzo Suzuki and Kaientai the names "Hirohito" and "Club Kamikaze," respectively, dressed Tony Atlas as Saba Simba, changed Rusev from Bulgarian to Russian because 'muricans apparently don't know the difference, turned a Samoan into a Japanese sumo, took three talented Mexican workers and gave them a landscaper gimmick, the list goes on and on. Forgive me if I assume the worst. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, The Iron Yuppie said: I don't know if I'd automatically assume an A-list actor is the best example of getting jacked naturally. There's almost as much gas in Hollywood as wrestling. This article's an interesting example: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-steroid-use-a-list-609091 Pratt's almost as big as Big Dave here: I don't mean to derail the thread, I've just found the HGH/steroid phenomenon in Hollywood fascinating, given that in other avenues (wrestling, baseball) it's led to government investigations. Roids in Hollywood probably wouldn't be seen as anything more than what Jack Pierce would do to make Lon Chaney grow fur & fangs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Oh, no doubt @nate I think an inquiry into Hollywood steroid use would be stupid -- I also thought the baseball investigations were dumb and frivolous. I just find the rampant use of HGH and steroids in Hollywood fascinating, because those are so demonized in other areas of our culture, but people turn a blind eye to it in film. Hell, Rock left wrestling and got BIGGER in Hollywood. I should also note, I'm not accusing Pratt of steroid/HGH use: just saying that I evaluate Hollywood workouts with a healthy dose of skepticism. Now, compared to baseball, wrestling's steroid investigation, well...given the way labor is treated in wrestling, and the Dr. Zahorian angle, that was far more justified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 To be fair, Rusev was always from Bulgaria. He was just residing in Russia for a while. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 And the Ravising Russian lived In Latvia (before being an FSU Cowgirl). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, odessasteps said: And the Ravising Russian lived In Latvia (before being an FSU Cowgirl). "1,500 red-blooded Americans just decided to relocate to Latvia," - Brent Musburger 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Technico Support said: This is a promoter who had two Puerto Ricans work a matador gimmick, There is bullfighting in Puerto Rico And Rusev was never "turned Russian" he was always acknowledged as a Bulgarian who had relocated to Russia because he loved Putin. took three talented Mexican workers and gave them a landscaper gimmick, It was never a landscaper gimmick. Their gimmick was that they were mocking American beliefs that Mexicans were only good for menial labour. The subtlety of the gimmick kind of turned stereotypical, as have other subtle gimmicks (Hassan!). Not that WWE hasn't had its fair share of racism, but these ones aren't a patch on "I choppy choppy your pee pee" or Brian Christopher calling TAKA Michinoku a "jap". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, caley said: There is bullfighting in Puerto Rico And Rusev was never "turned Russian" he was always acknowledged as a Bulgarian who had relocated to Russia because he loved Putin. It was never a landscaper gimmick. Their gimmick was that they were mocking American beliefs that Mexicans were only good for menial labour. The subtlety of the gimmick kind of turned stereotypical, as have other subtle gimmicks (Hassan!). Not that WWE hasn't had its fair share of racism, but these ones aren't a patch on "I choppy choppy your pee pee" or Brian Christopher calling TAKA Michinoku a "jap". KIND OF? They fucking rode out on a riding lawn mower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Isn't more that wrestling promoters think that their fans are racists, so that's why racists gimmicks like that exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 A little from column A, a little from column B. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I can't wait until Vince decides he needs a top Indian babyface for the new market and gives India.... Roman Reigns ("See, he only thought he was Samoan.....") 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Are we forgetting that they recently put the biggest title in the company on a 50 year old guy that hadn't worked in over a decade and is easily worse in the ring than Jinder? There are less deserving wrestlers and worse ways this could have gone. Hell, at least Jinder is on the show every week and defends the title, unlike Brock. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said: Are we forgetting that they recently put the biggest title in the company on a 50 year old guy that hadn't worked in over a decade and is easily worse in the ring than Jinder? Do you mean The Rock, or Batista? Or am I forgetting someone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, AxB said: Do you mean The Rock, or Batista? Or am I forgetting someone? I was referring to Goldberg and totally forgot about Rock and Batista's recent runs. Those were dumber world title related booking decisions too, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, AxB said: Do you mean The Rock, or Batista? Or am I forgetting someone? Goldberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Goldberg's recent run drifted from my mind like steam on a windy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Craig H said: KIND OF? They fucking rode out on a riding lawn mower. That was part of the initial gimmick/satire. They rode out on the tractor to mock Americans' line of thinking about what Mexicans were good for. But instead of sticking with this line of thinking, they became the very parodies they were mocking. Like Season 3 of Chappelle's Show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, caley said: That was part of the initial gimmick/satire. They rode out on the tractor to mock Americans' line of thinking about what Mexicans were good for. But instead of sticking with this line of thinking, they became the very parodies they were mocking. Like Season 3 of Chappelle's Show. WWE does this all the time. See: Hardcore Holly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I just want to point out that Yokozuna was never Japanese, he was always a Polynesian who represented Japan for some reason. That detail may have been forgotten though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Hogan called him a Jap in a WM9 promo, but yeah, they never said he was Japanese - just that he was a sumo champion. Hence, Yokozuna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Was Yokozuna basically Akebono? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Eivion said: Was Yokozuna basically Akebono? Pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Someone who was an older/more avid viewer at the time may be able to correct me, but I was thinking recently that the Yoko and Mabel pushes are in some ways kinda the embodiment of Vince's thinking in that knew he needed to get away from the body guys because of the steroid trial, but he still clung to the philosophy of having the biggest guys possible on his tv EDIT: Though I guess the Lex Express would be the only hole in this theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Nah, they were just monster heels, and Vince's modus operandi has always been to build up monster heels to feed to top faces. The unique thing about Yoko is that Vince put the strap on a monster heel for a significant amount of time. All the other examples from Bundy to Kamala to OMG to Mabel got fed directly to your Hogans and Takers and Diesels after their builds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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