John from Cincinnati Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 If we're awarding points for things not overstaying their welcome, The Shield has to rank. I guess Bullet Club is better than Legacy. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Stables Bullet Club is better than: 3MB Legacy The DCC League of Nations Whatever Caprice Coleman/Kenny King/Rhett Titus are calling themselves I was going to say Simon Diamond's ECW crew, but then I would be downplaying the greatness of Dick Hertz, The Muskateer and Mitch the Male Rat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibata Is My Homie Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, BoKnowsWrestling said: Do Hart's and Hennen's groups count as stables? If so that puts anything else in a distant 4th place (horsemen an obvious #1). I would. The Heenan AWA stable when it had Tricky Nicky, Stevens, Duncan, Lanza was pretty bad ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Bix's article on WWE replacing John Cena with Shinsuke Nakamura. http://deadspin.com/wwe-wants-to-replace-john-cena-with-japans-shinsuke-nak-1795374584?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 39 minutes ago, BoKnowsWrestling said: Do Hart's and Hennen's groups count as stables? If so that puts anything else in a distant 4th place (horsemen an obvious #1). A stable is where you keep horses. Heenan had a family! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On the contrary, stables that are better than the Bullet Club: The Four Horsemen The Dangerous Alliance D-X NWO Generation Next The Age of the Fall J-Tex Corporation The Freebirds The Hart Foundation The Radicalz They're not even top 10 and that's just with what I'm going off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I could probably name at least five different versions of the Stud Stable that are better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Hart Family > Hart Foundation Niedhart's Raiders Devastation Inc I would say Paul Jones's army if it wasn't for Paul Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Immortal were worse than he Bullet Club. So were Fourtune. Although on paper, you'd think Fourtune would be awesome. The Main Event Maffia however, were fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Aside from some two on one attacks against Andre, the obligatory Survivor Series team-ups, and one crappy tag title reign with Andre and Haku, did the Heenan Family ever do anything as a unit in the WWF? I never saw them as a stable like the Horsemen, who always acted as a team. To me, they were more of a monster factory vs Andre and Hogan and, later, just random guys who all happened to be managed by the same person. But really, that was just the WWF model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Edwin said: The Radicalz They're not even top 10 and that's just with what I'm going off the top of my head. Let's be honest here, the Radicalz kind of sucked. Dumb name (Especially with the 'z' on the end), not particularly memorable music, mostly used as jobbing fodder. Their debut was memorable, but everything else about the group went downhill really quick. They were part of that one great 10-man tag, but as a group one can't honestly say they were anymore successful in getting their group members over than The Revolution. Benoit and Guerrero didn't get over until they split from the group. I'd say The Shield, as a faction, was way more successful than the Radicalz. They had a arguably a better debut than the Radicalz, better theme song, had a different entrance and interview style than anyone in wrestling at the time. They were involved in more, better matches, and upon their split all three members went on to some semblance of main-even success. By that same resolve, I think people are underselling how important the Bullet Club is. It changed the culture of wrestling in Japan, for sure, (Maybe not for the better...) but Bullet Club matches are completely different than anything seen before in New Japan). They're the first real group to span over several companies (NJPW, ROH, sort of in WWE, and even a hint of them in TNA). A number of wrestlers have raised their profiles by joining up (I doubt very much Styles, Gallows, Anderson would have gone to WWE, and not in such dramatic fashion, without their BC stints). They've got a pretty interesting entrance (I love when Bad Luck Fale would carry a guy out on his shoulders) that was different from a lot of stuff going on at the time, and a widespread influence. I'd say their merchandise is the most ubiquitous merch since...maybe prime John Cena. No matter where you go wrestling-wise; be it TNA, WWE, or a local indy show, you're gonna see Bullet Club t-shirts in the stands. In terms of stables, I'm not sure their are many aside from NWO, DX, Shield, Four Horsemen that have the influence that Bullet Club have had on wrestling as a whole. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Yeah, um, Bullet Club was made by Styles joining it, not Styles's profile going up by joining Bullet Club. Yes, Styles run in NJPW is what got him to WWE, but if he didn't do the Bullet Club, he still would've been sitting at the top of the card in NJPW. Bullet Club's sell by date was when Styles, Anderson, and Gallows left NJPW. Since then it's been every incarnation of nWo since late 99. Everything that Bullet Club brought in terms of changing culture disappeared and everything shifted back to the way it was when Styles left. And really, their stuff wasn't different from when nWo Japan was a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great ML Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 52 minutes ago, Technico Support said: Aside from some two on one attacks against Andre, the obligatory Survivor Series team-ups, and one crappy tag title reign with Andre and Haku, did the Heenan Family ever do anything as a unit in the WWF? I never saw them as a stable like the Horsemen, who always acted as a team. To me, they were more of a monster factory vs Andre and Hogan and, later, just random guys who all happened to be managed by the same person. But really, that was just the WWF model. There was only one time I remember the Heenan Family act like the Horsemen...that gnarly four on one attack on Ken Patera. They needed to do more of that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, caley said: A number of wrestlers have raised their profiles by joining up (I doubt very much Styles, Gallows, Anderson would have gone to WWE, and not in such dramatic fashion, without their BC stints). WWE already had their eyes on Gallows and Anderson due people already there pushing them to hire them. In Gallows' case their eyes may have never completely left him since he was a former talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, Raziel403 said: Yeah, um, Bullet Club was made by Styles joining it, not Styles's profile going up by joining Bullet Club. Yes, Styles run in NJPW is what got him to WWE, but if he didn't do the Bullet Club, he still would've been sitting at the top of the card in NJPW. Bullet Club's sell by date was when Styles, Anderson, and Gallows left NJPW. Since then it's been every incarnation of nWo since late 99. This is maybe a little too hot-takey for me. Styles' run was peak Bullet Club, sure, I'm down with that. But I think you're overselling the decline. And I'm not a die-hard fan of what they've done post-Styles. I think you're really underselling latter-day nWo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, AxB said: Immortal were worse than he Bullet Club. So were Fourtune. Although on paper, you'd think Fourtune would be awesome. The Main Event Maffia however, were fantastic. Aces & Eights were also worse than Bullet Club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 47 minutes ago, Technico Support said: Aside from some two on one attacks against Andre, the obligatory Survivor Series team-ups, and one crappy tag title reign with Andre and Haku, did the Heenan Family ever do anything as a unit in the WWF? I never saw them as a stable like the Horsemen, who always acted as a team. To me, they were more of a monster factory vs Andre and Hogan and, later, just random guys who all happened to be managed by the same person. But really, that was just the WWF model. Andre aided the Brain Busters in their tag title win. Haku & the Barbarian ran in to cause the DQ in Perfect's IC title match against the Boss Man @ WM7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 There is no way anyone can UNDERsell post 99 NWO. It was really awful. I don't follow NJPW enough to judge if Bullet Club are on that level. But I have a very hard time with people naming them to be Top 3 of all time. That said, there also lots of bad fractions / stables in pro wrestling history which were really bad. I would think Bullet Club could be middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacelle Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 There was that one Snake's Pit that created a really cool visual with the Heenan Family. In July of 87 they might have had the most members of a group in a major company. Islanders, Bundy, Andre, Race, Hercules, Orndorff & Rude. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 By post 99 NWO, do you guys mean the 2002 WWF version? I don't remember any version in WCW after the silver and black with Hall, Nash, Bret, Scott Steiner, and Jarrett dissolved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I pretty much mean any nWo Post Starrcade 98, which was the turning point that sealed WCW's fate. basically any version of it that existed after Sting should've destroyed Hogan without breaking a sweat in 97. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 There's also Heenan directing Race, Orndorff, Herc, and Bundy to beat down Ken Patera (starting at 23:30). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibata Is My Homie Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Technico Support said: Aside from some two on one attacks against Andre, the obligatory Survivor Series team-ups, and one crappy tag title reign with Andre and Haku, did the Heenan Family ever do anything as a unit in the WWF? I never saw them as a stable like the Horsemen, who always acted as a team. To me, they were more of a monster factory vs Andre and Hogan and, later, just random guys who all happened to be managed by the same person. But really, that was just the WWF model. The AWA version of Heenan's family sure did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The Heenan family celebration after the Brainbusters win is so great. Andre's the happiest guy in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Also, Heenan was so good whenever someone would leave the Family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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