APRIL 2017 WRESTLING DISCUSSION

[Ace]

Because there isn't one. There aren't "part-timers" in UFC. The only full-timers are panelists and commentators.

 

 

[Curt McGirt]

If you guys don't stop Rippa is gonna call in Tracy to commit Ultra Mega Mass Homicide up in here, you nincompoops. 

[Linus]

On 23/04/2017 at 7:03 PM, Casey said:

SPOILER: Zack Sabre Jr wins.

Oh, you sweet summer child... it's RevPro: Josh Bodom wins

[Zakk_Sabbath]

When Punk vs Bryan headlines an NJPW card in 2019, don't act like you won't buy the PPV

[BurningBeard]

I was actually praying Punk and Joe were gonna do a tenth anniversary match of their trilogy, the stars had aligned for it and everything. 

Who knows, maybe they did in a barn ala Rocky and Apollo

[Victator]

6 hours ago, Ace said:

Enlighten us with your expertise. Who, exactly, did he take a spot away from? Who didn't get booked by UFC because he fought one fight on one show?

 

Any available contracted fighter that wasn't on the show. I was actually going to let this go, since it looked like I caused Elastipenis to blow a gasket. Then you sycophants had to drag me back in. 

 

7 hours ago, alstein said:

Punk put in work, never disrespected the UFC, and made money for the UFC.  

His presence disrespected UFC. He was the equivalent of Maria Menounos working a women's match at Mania.  

 

 

7 hours ago, alstein said:

 

 

[Ace]

Meh, I should've known not to engage in the first place.

 

 

 

[mattdangerously]

7 hours ago, alstein said:

As for the Marvel book, if you've seen the decisions Marvel is making with their comic books- they've gone about 120% Russo these past few months.

Nick Spencer's heel turn has been weird.

[Victator]

8 minutes ago, Ace said:

Meh, I should've known not to engage in the first place.

 

 

 

 
Here is how this started. I found a news story about Punk doing an MTV Challenge show and most of us were having fun taking the piss out of him, because he is a pompous sanctimonious ass. 

Then a small number get angry because Punk appeals to the petulant self absorbed child within. So you proceed to do gold medal mental gymnastics to defend Punk as not being a hypocrite. 

[Technico Support]

14 hours ago, jaedmc said:

My biggest fear in life is that the biggest mark I'll ever leave is the 8 or so wrestling fans who refrence the Steel Davey Richards.

Could be worse.  You could have created the expression "Dildo Blender."

[JohnnyJ]

Typically, I would not fault a guy for pursuing his interests or even a great financial opportunity. When that person is perhaps the most self-righteous person to ever lace up wrestling boots, criticism is fair game. 

[BurningBeard]

or Latina floppies... which still makes me giggle every time I type it

[mattdangerously]

13 minutes ago, Victator said:

 
Here is how this started. I found a news story about Punk doing an MTV Challenge show and most of us were having fun taking the piss out of him, because he is a pompous sanctimonious ass. 

Then a small number get angry because Punk appeals to the petulant self absorbed child within. So you proceed to do gold medal mental gymnastics to defend Punk as not being a hypocrite. 

You forgot to mention the part where you use the debate as an excuse to insult anyone who disagrees with you... which seems like something Punk would do, honestly.

[Victator]

20 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

You forgot to mention the part where you use the debate as an excuse to insult anyone who disagrees with you... which seems like something Punk would do, honestly.

I never told a teenager to kill himself, so I'm still ahead of Punk in that regard. 

[Technico Support]

Advice for nobody in particular that I probably don't heed enough myself: when you're in a hole, the best thing you can do is stop digging

[Casey]

Punk likely had a lot to do with UFC203 getting 425-475K buys. Do any of us normies give a flying fuck about Miocic, Overeem, Werdum or Browne? No, people bought that PPV because of the freakshow/curiosity aspect of a recent ex-WWE star making his debut. You slot anyone else into that match with Mickey Gall, and it gets knocked down to a Fight Pass bout and something else replaces it on the PPV card, and the buyrate comes back resembling UFC201 most likely.

But, this is Vic we're talking about, so explaining things in a logical way won't work. UFC is a business and they're about chasin' that paper? No way, "he's takin' a SPOT, MAN!"  From who, Randy fuckin' Brown?

[Matt D]

So, I saw a great Dynamic Duo vs Tiger Conway, Jr./Scott Casey match that's far better to talk about in the wrestling thread than Punk in MMA. Anyone want to talk about that instead?

[w. josh]

Scott Casey took that spot from Buddy Mareno.

[Victator]

13 minutes ago, Casey said:

Punk likely had a lot to do with UFC203 getting 425-475K buys. Do any of us normies give a flying fuck about Miocic, Overeem, Werdum or Browne? No, people bought that PPV because of the freakshow/curiosity aspect of a recent ex-WWE star making his debut. You slot anyone else into that match with Mickey Gall, and it gets knocked down to a Fight Pass bout and something else replaces it on the PPV card, and the buyrate comes back resembling UFC201 most likely.

But, this is Vic we're talking about, so explaining things in a logical way won't work. UFC is a business and they're about chasin' that paper? No way, "he's takin' a SPOT, MAN!"  From who, Randy fuckin' Brown?

Hey genius, I said that a couple of pages ago. Can you read?

[Matt D]

15 minutes ago, w. josh said:

Scott Casey took that spot from Buddy Mareno.

Weirdly enough, I don't see Buddy Mareno in the Houston records until 84 (and yes, I checked for Atlas too), after the transition had already been made from Southwest to Mid-South in Houston. Boesch used Southwest talent in the years prior but it wasn't always a 100% overlap with what was happening in San Antonio. We do have a Black Gordman vs Mareno/Atlas match which is probably most notable for Gordman hitting a DDT (which he does all the way back into black and white footage with Santo) and a really good Lothario/Mareno vs Gordman/Goliath match which I kind of want to rewatch now. 

[nate]

The most valuable lesson I've learned so far ... if I'm ever Cash'd for being a dick, then I get the chance to come back, don't be a dick again.

[Matt D]

Tiger's actually been really good in the footage we've seen so far. He's a great face-in-peril, struggling, trying to fight out of holds, trying to make it to the corner. Sometimes he can move a bit askew, almost akin to the way Greg Gagne or someone did, and that distracts a little, and yes, they ran the hard head gimmick a little too far, but for a turn of the 80s high spot worker who could also sell and brawl pretty well, he's a guy that's been quite underlooked. As a Houston mainstay, I sort of see him as a poor man's Dundee without the heel runs (or maybe a 1993 Danny Davis). He even got a pretty good match out of 80s Killer Brooks. And he could do comedy too.

We have that match in much better VQ with superior Boesch commentary, but it's really tremendous. 

[Victator]

In hindsight i should have posted this. 

 

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CM Punk is doing a reverse Miz. He goes from wrestling to an MTV show. Next year he will be giving roofies to co-eds at Miami of Ohio.

 

 

[Matt D]

And then for those people not paying attention, the biggest surprise out of the Houston footage has been Lothario. The only person I can honestly liken him to is Lawler. He was pretty old by 1980, but he sort of held court in the middle of the ring, selling, drawing sympathy, teasing and teasing the comeback, and when it came time for it, unloading to the crowd's elation with the best punches you'd ever see. They uploaded a match the other night with Pak Song, and Pak Song is like the world's shortest El Gigante. You can hardly believe that THIS GUY is the guy who Dusty Rhodes had his big Face  turn in Florida on. And Lothario sells all the crummy chops and throat thrusts and whatever, and when it comes time, he unloads, dropping knees, punching the hell out of Song's head and it's just the best thing, the very best thing. There's a guy in the crowd heckling too, which makes it even better. It's the sort of match that's never going to get a ton of snowflakes, because it's 15 minutes, two out of three falls, and Song is a literal broomstick, down to his physique, but what Lothario brought to the table in making his opponent seem vaguely credible, in portraying Texas-loved fury, and in putting over the meaning of the match, was just tremendous. And yeah, he can do so much more when he has a worthwhile opponent. 

[JohnnyJ]

So... the Vince biopic. I'm curious what a 90 minute movie made for non-wrestling audiences would look like. And who can play big and over the top enough to be a convincing Vince without resorting to caricature?