Technico Support Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I'm still salty over a WWE developmental team working a Tully & Arn tribute act beat Chris Hero after the year Hero had. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Matt D said: Cross-reference to see if the people who voted against Omega ever voted FOR Naito. Honestly, I'm not invested enough in any of the outcomes here to do that, and given the speculative nature of my original point. That is, I could imagine a scenario where Naito got by Miz--I wouldn't have predicted it--whereas nobody is beating AJ. Secondarily, I perceive Miz to be held in justifiably high regard here. So I don't think losing to him "of all people" is especially telling. Third, a lot of people really just don't like Omega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Miz reminds me of why I'm a wrestling fan. Omega reminds me of why I am sometimes embarrassed to be a wrestling fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Matt D said: Cross-reference to see if the people who voted against Omega ever voted FOR Naito. Alright, I'm bored enough. Of the 52 people who voted Miz over Omega, 19 of them voted for Naito at least once in three matchups. Now in one of these matches, Naito got blown out by AJ, but in the others, he won relatively convincingly (53-35 over Rusev, 59-21 over Negro Casas). 36 of the 52 voted against Naito at least once, (most often in the AJ blowout). Of the 52 who voted Miz over Omega: 6 only voted for Naito in his three matchups, 24 only voted against Naito in his three matchups. 13 voted both for and against Naito. 9 didn't vote in any of Naito's matchups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I have no beef with Naito, but if he was against Rusev and Casas, no way i am voting for him in either of those matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Cristobal said: Alright, I'm bored enough. Of the 52 people who voted Miz over Omega, 19 of them voted for Naito at least once in three matchups. Now in one of these matches, Naito got blown out by AJ, but in the others, he won relatively convincingly (53-35 over Rusev, 59-21 over Negro Casas). 36 of the 52 voted against Naito at least once, (most often in the AJ blowout). Of the 52 who voted Miz over Omega: 6 only voted for Naito in his three matchups, 24 only voted against Naito in his three matchups. 13 voted both for and against Naito. 9 didn't vote in any of Naito's matchups. That's some good work, Chico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 So that backs the theory that there were maybe people voting against Naito/Omega who never really gave them a look. My whole argument was that it's perfectly fine to criticize the New Japan "style" if you are being consistent and doing the same with Cena, Cesaro, Rollins, Owens and even AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Well, the theory that there's a contingent of anti-NJPW voters (or voters who just won't give it the time of day) can at least be tested, because odessa's point that Naito faced relatively strong opposition seems reasonable. Let's start with Omega. His 3rd round opponent, Okada, doesn't really give us much info here, so let's instead go to his 2nd round opponent, Chris Jericho, and his 1st round opponent, Hechicero. Of the 24 people who voted Miz over Omega and only voted against Naito in his three contests, 8 voted for Omega in one or both of these contests, 16 only voted against him. At this point, there's a relatively limited number of votes between NJPW and non-NJPW wrestlers (counting Ibushi as NJPW for this): Tanahashi-Revival Young Bucks-Hardys Young Bucks-New Day Okada-Asuka Goto-Satomura Shibata-Joe Ishii-Zayn DIY-Kamaitachi In the interest of keeping this to a reasonable-to-farm data set, I'm gonna scrap the Young Bucks matches as they've worked the US pretty extensively, and are kind of their own animal, as well as Goto-Satomura, as picking out anti-NJ from anti-Japan as a whole seems a bit difficult for this. That leaves us with Tanahashi/Revival, Okada/Asuka, Shibata/Joe, DIY/Kamaitachi, and Ishii/Zayn. Gives us five WWE/NXT vs NJ matches there. Overal scores of those matches: Revival over Tanahashi 81-18 Okada over Asuka 61-31 Joe over Shibata 59-31 Zayn over Ishii 56-34 DIY over Kamaitachi 66-19 So, for the set I'm sampling to reflect the board as a whole, NJ wrestlers should have gotten about 35% of the vote in that set. Of the 16 people that only voted against Omega and Naito, they cast a total of 51 votes in those matches, 5 for the NJPW wrestler and 46 against, so just under 10%. Additionally, there are 11 people who, every time an NJPW wrestler (not counting the ones I ignored) was up for vote against a non-NJPW wrestler, did not vote for the NJPW wrestler. Not gonna make conclusions here, and let's be clear, "not voting for an NJPW wrestler" is not inherently proof of anything other than that some people don't like NJPW, (hence why I'm not naming them. No need to persecute,) but we are shrinking to a relatively small number of people. Can that influence a close vote? Sure, but so can an anti-WWE contingent. I don't think there's really anything here that proves that Miz beating Omega was anything other than voters preferring Miz to Omega. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 There were at least two people who said they'd vote against Omega against anybody but that doesn't really make up the difference of margin he lost by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Are those the same two people who are all "Omega is ruining wrestling!!!" ? Like he's the one who invented this current main event style that we see in ALL promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I tend to blame either Meltzer or Harley Race, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Are those the same two people who are all "Omega is ruining wrestling!!!" ? Like he's the one who invented this current main event style that we see in ALL promotions. Does Cornette post here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Matt D said: I tend to blame either Meltzer or Harley Race, personally. Do you want to tell Harley that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Does Cornette post here now? I hadn't thought of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Do you want to tell Harley that? Hell Mark, I don't even want to tell Meltzer that. That guy's ripped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Meltzer must secretly believe its an upper body business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Polls close tonight sometime after I get back from dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I mean... an hour into the polls it was pretty much... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 On 3/22/2017 at 10:14 PM, Matt D said: I tend to blame either Meltzer or Harley Race, personally. Reminds me of this clip, about a minute in to it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 That is the worst argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 Unless the site didn't update correctly AJ wins - Morelock wins Revival wins - EVA wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 How do we vote so I win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 Vote Gino Hernandez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Vote Gino Hernandez? Then we all win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/22/2017 at 4:34 PM, MORELOCK said: Miz reminds me of why I'm a wrestling fan. Omega reminds me of why I am sometimes embarrassed to be a wrestling fan. If you were Japanese your opinion would probably be the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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