ALL ENCOMPASSING STAR WARS THREAD

[Raziel]

A GilroyCut would honsetly depend if Disney saw enough money in budgeting the reshoots needed to do something like that.  

 

Best way to do it would likely be "Andor S3: Rogue One" and mini-series it so you can give some of the character stuff time to breathe.

But I think the 3rd Act of Rogue One was one of the best SW things ever put to film so I don't really want anything to mess that up.

[EVA]

The Andor version of Rogue one would have had a 3-episode arc about Galen’s time on Eadu, actually seeing how he meticulously sneaks in the Death Star vulnerability, how he converts Bodhi, and his engineers would’ve become your favorite people on the show and break your heart when they get executed.

[AxB]

They should do an Andor spin-off show about Dedra Merro, showing the Coruscantian perspective on the events of the original trilogy. How the Empire is over the moon with glee at having captured Leia, destroyed Alderaan (they could do loads of propaganda broadcasts about what a bastardous traitor Bail Organa was, and how the collateral damage of destroying his whole planet was a worthwhile cost to ending him). How they can't believe the Rebel Alliance was stupid enough to collect all of their forces on Yavin-4 and soon the glorious Death Star weapon will ensure peace throughout the galaxy.

Like cast somebody as an embedded Galactic News reporter on the Death Star, and have them giving an exciting countdown to the exact moment when the Rebel Alliance is finally compromised to a permanent end, it gets to 3... 2... 1... and the screen goes black, and everyone on Coruscant lets off party poppers and starts spraying champagne everywhere... and then the screen stays black for ages, and it's not until hours later that they find out the Death Star was destroyed and the Rebels survived.

The final scene of the final season of the show is Dedra getting a message that she's being promoted and transferred, and we see her reporting for duty on the Death Star 2 right as the closing credits hit.

[Raziel]

It's gonna be hard to do with her in Narkina 5 building reflectors for the DS2 for the rest of her life (or until the New Republic gets around to finding it, whichever happens first.)

[Dolfan in NYC]

It's probably being discussed in the Video Game thread, but the video game Fortnite has an AI-controlled Darth Vader voice now.  It's not going well.

Long story short it's varied between telling people to kill their families and themselves and asked ...*checks notes*...  If other players think Chun Li's ass is sexy. 

Seeing as how this is exactly what they went on strike for...

[Raziel]

I'm also pretty sure the deal Jones made with Disney to use his voice as Vader in perpetuity is that a real person has to be reading the lines into the changer.  So Epic might have even more problems.

[RandomAct]

So I fully expected Rogue One to feel like a different film after watching Andor. What I *didn't* expect was for A New Hope to feel so different after watching all of that. "Improve" isn't the right word, but it absolutely has been reframed, and the stakes feel very different.

[Casey]

On 5/19/2025 at 2:36 PM, Raziel said:

I'm also pretty sure the deal Jones made with Disney to use his voice as Vader in perpetuity is that a real person has to be reading the lines into the changer.  So Epic might have even more problems.

I thought I read that he signed the rights to his archival work over to Lucasfilm/Disney so it can be used to train an AI model by a Ukranian start-up called Respeacher. That model is what was used for the Vader voice in Obi-Wan. I can't find anything about the deal having terms that say a real person has to be reading the lines. It's a generative AI model, I don't think it needs that.

[Raziel]

Yeah, I researched it and Jones and his estate signed his voice rights over to that company to do Vader voices for Disney so he can be Vader forever.  Which is fine, if that's what he wants to do.  I don't think he intended a bunch of mansphere'd up shithead streamers to do whatever it is they're doing, but if Disney hasn't dropped the hammer on Epic, then it is what it is.

[Curt McGirt]

Yeah, it's mean. And funny

[Craig H]

So...Mark Hamill finally cleared the air about his supposed disdain for Rian Johnson and the Last Jedi. He said Rian's a great director and he's a big fan and thinks the Last Jedi is a great movie. Where they had a disagreement was why Luke goes into exile. Rian's idea was for Ben Solo to basically kill Luke's new Jedi academy and destroy the Jedi temple. Hamill said that wouldn't make Luke go into exile, it would only steel his resolve to stop Kylo. So Hamill asked if he could come up with the backstory and Rian said sure.

Hamill's idea was...I can't make this up...to go way fucking darker. Luke gives up being a Jedi like someone gives up a religion, falls in love, he and his wife have a kid, and when the kid is presumably a toddler he finds Luke's lightsaber, pushes a button to turn it on, and accidentally kills himself. Luke's wife is so full of grief that she kills herself too. That's what drives Luke into exile.

In the end they met somewhere halfway, and by somewhere I mean nowhere near Hamill's insane idea. I can only imagine the reaction from a bunch of kids seeing the Last Jedi and seeing a little kid kill himself followed by his mom killing herself.

One day I'll go back and rewatch TFA and TLJ, but not TRoS. Fuck that movie.

[Technico Support]

TFA completely undoing the Rebellion’s struggle and victory, THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE ORIGINAL SERIES, all because that hack JJ Abrams had no other ideas outside of “let’s just remake New Hope,” was the dirt worst.  If I was Luke and all my efforts meant nothing in the end, I’d fuck off to some shithole planet myself.   I really appreciated Johnson trying to at least do something different, even if aspects of it were flawed.  The less said about Rise of Skywalker, the better.  One of the worst movies I’ve ever seen.
 

I appreciate all the heavy lifting retcon work subsequent TV shows have done to explain the post episode 6 New Republic’s inadequacy, their human failings, and the rise of the First Order, thus softening the blow of TFA resetting everything in the grand scheme of things.  

Edited June 26 by Technico Support

[Craig H]

I do really, really like TFA and think it laid some good groundwork for a new trilogy. I liked TLJ even more because it broke that mold and took the trilogy in newer or more interesting directions even if some parts of the movie were clunky (slowest chase ever, the casino, another chase on creatures over a parking ticket, BDT who was never seen again).

And then along came RoS which even more than TFA is the most unoriginal repeating piece of shit and it ruined everything. Like, you have a total blank slate to end this differently and instead it's the same old shit. That is what killed all trust I could have for JJ Abrams for anything., 

[Technico Support]

12 hours ago, Craig H said:

I do really, really like TFA and think it laid some good groundwork for a new trilogy. I liked TLJ even more because it broke that mold and took the trilogy in newer or more interesting directions even if some parts of the movie were clunky (slowest chase ever, the casino, another chase on creatures over a parking ticket, BDT who was never seen again).

And then along came RoS which even more than TFA is the most unoriginal repeating piece of shit and it ruined everything. Like, you have a total blank slate to end this differently and instead it's the same old shit. That is what killed all trust I could have for JJ Abrams for anything., 

I think I've mentioned this before, but I I had a work trip in March 2020 (day after AEW Revolution 2020, in fact!) right before the pandemic really hit, and I saw RoS on the plane ride out and Joker on the way back.  I despised both films and wondered if a plane crash would have been preferable.

I actually enjoyed TFA at the time, and still do if I don't think about its issues too much.  It's excellent in a fanservice and ticking all the boxes way.  But at some point it hit me that it's just a remake of New Hope, a lot of things don't make sense, and they rendered episodes 3-6 meaningless, which was its worst crime.  The Empire is back, the Rebellion is back at step -2, and we have a new Luke.  Yaaaay.

Edited June 27 by Technico Support

[TheVileOne]

The first three episodes of Andor Season 2 are definitely the weakest of that show, but things pick up once they move on from that. The Ghorman arc was intense. I also appreciated how they mapped out the three seasons, basically like a countdown with four three-episode arcs. While I greatly disliked the first three episodes, I do think it's paced out better than the first season. 

It does make me wonder what happened to Mon Mothma's family. Her husband and daughter were a-holes. My guess is that her daughter would likely become traumatized by the ensuing years of her toxic marriage, and hopefully would have wisened and matured as she got older and saw what a terrible person she was to her mother. I mean, her mother did basically use her own daughter as a negotiating tool, but the show does its best to make you despise Mon Mothma's bratty daughter.

[Eivion]

3 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

It does make me wonder what happened to Mon Mothma's family. Her husband and daughter were a-holes. My guess is that her daughter would likely become traumatized by the ensuing years of her toxic marriage, and hopefully would have wisened and matured as she got older and saw what a terrible person she was to her mother. I mean, her mother did basically use her own daughter as a negotiating tool, but the show does its best to make you despise Mon Mothma's bratty daughter.

To be fair the husband was likely putting on a front to some degree. They had to leave out a planned scene where he revealed to Mon he had been covering her ass for years as he was regularly interrogated about her. You can even see at the end he clearly misses her. Their marriage was political and understood as such between them, but he did care for her more than he let on.

[Craig H]

I guess Andor could only be so heartbreaking.

[Technico Support]

3 hours ago, Eivion said:

To be fair the husband was likely putting on a front to some degree. They had to leave out a planned scene where he revealed to Mon he had been covering her ass for years as he was regularly interrogated about her. You can even see at the end he clearly misses her. Their marriage was political and understood as such between them, but he did care for her more than he let on.

He was with Sculdun's wife in the end.  I wonder if the Empire connected Sculdun to Rebel funding due to his relationship with Mothma and his closeness to Luthen's antiques business, and sent him to prison, leaving his wife and Mothma's husband to get together for convenience/necessity.  Of course that makes their kids, who are married, step-siblings now.

Edited June 28 by Technico Support

[TheVileOne]

8 hours ago, Eivion said:

To be fair the husband was likely putting on a front to some degree. They had to leave out a planned scene where he revealed to Mon he had been covering her ass for years as he was regularly interrogated about her. You can even see at the end he clearly misses her. Their marriage was political and understood as such between them, but he did care for her more than he let on.

Didn't look like he was missing her too much at the end. I get the sense that after Mon Momtha left, he drowned himself in his mistress and gambling, and drank himself to death! My impression from the first season is that Mon made her husband look guilty to throw the Imperial spies off her scent of her rebel activities. She made it look like it was her husband's gambling debts. And it looked legitimate since he had a history of gambling issues before. Either that, or Sculdun has him killed for messing around with his wife.

I got the sense that he maybe did love Mon once, but they grew apart as they got older. Plus, he was not as dedicated to preserving and restoring the Republic as she was.

Edited June 28 by TheVileOne

[Eivion]

Not sure Sculdun was in position to do much of anything given it was his money that funded the rebellion. Seeing as how his wife was openly with Perrin at the end I doubt Sculdun got away unscathed. Regardless you could clearly see Perrin was unhappy with Mon gone despite still living his luxurious lifestyle.

[Contentious C]

It also left Rogue One with a couple of pretty crazy goofs.  "This is the first time for me" - no, sorry, Cassian, you've definitely been in prison before.  And I'm guessing claiming that you've been "in the Rebellion" since you were six is supposed to tell us that the Imperials showed up on Kenari when he was that age and slaughtered/enslaved all the adults, leaving all those children to fend for themselves until he was 10 or 11 or whatever he was when Maarva found him. 

Also really disappointed it didn't actually resolve the stuff with his sister in any way whatsoever, even to just demonstrate more definitively that, yeah, Kenari is now uninhabitable and there were no logs of anyone within the Empire even trying to visit for however long.  You'd think that's the kind of thing Luthen could have asked someone to dig up at some point over the course of 4+ years, and that it wouldn't have raised many flags.  I get that it's supposed to make him seem more committed, but that was never something I totally bought from him.  Always felt like a toe or three were out the door until you get to Rogue One and there's no way out left.

Edited Sunday at 11:00 PM by Contentious C

[AxB]

20 hours ago, Contentious C said:

It also left Rogue One with a couple of pretty crazy goofs.  "This is the first time for me" - no, sorry, Cassian, you've definitely been in prison before.  And I'm guessing claiming that you've been "in the Rebellion" since you were six is supposed to tell us that the Imperials showed up on Kenari when he was that age and slaughtered/enslaved all the adults, leaving all those children to fend for themselves until he was 10 or 11 or whatever he was when Maarva found him. 

Also really disappointed it didn't actually resolve the stuff with his sister in any way whatsoever, even to just demonstrate more definitively that, yeah, Kenari is now uninhabitable and there were no logs of anyone within the Empire even trying to visit for however long.  You'd think that's the kind of thing Luthen could have asked someone to dig up at some point over the course of 4+ years, and that it wouldn't have raised many flags.  I get that it's supposed to make him seem more committed, but that was never something I totally bought from him.  Always felt like a toe or three were out the door until you get to Rogue One and there's no way out left.

One of the things that Andor struggles with is, the Galactic Empire, from Order 66 to the destruction of the 2nd Death Star only lasted for 20 years. So a lot of the historical atrocities it attributes to 'The Empire' must have actually been done not only before Order 66, but before the Clone Wars. By the Republic. By Democracy.

[Eivion]

Pretty sure the ships that fucked Cassian's planet over were specifically Republic so yeah the dark shit started long before the Empire. Some of it was lack of oversite, and some was specifically about whoever was allied with Republic, regardless of right and wrong. There is a reason the Separatists became a thing.