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2 minutes ago, Player One said:

I quite enjoyed the Last Jedi.

Obviously, I'm a terrible person.

What didn't people like about the movie?

 

Speaking just for myself,  I thought the script was shitty and overly and unnecessarily dark. Turning Luke into a bitter nothing, and making him into a student killer to boot. Killing off virtually the entire resistance, being able to track and catch ships in hyperspace. Basically it was  a 2002 era HHH match in star wars form. I will say it looked amazing, and the casino sequence was pretty cool, until being rendered pointless minutes later.

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Luke wasn't a bitter nothing.  He completely cut himself off from the force, which connects every single thing in the universe, EXCEPT LUKE.  He never killed a student, he stopped himself from giving into his fear of creating another Sith, then realized he wasn't yet qualified to teach.   He went off on a quest to find all the jedi texts he could while cutting himself off from the force.  It was only after reading all he could and Rey finding hi that he allowed himself to rejoin with the force, at which point Yoda appeared and basically told him he'd been dumb this entire time by running away from his problems instead-of working on them.

 

Luke's entire storyline is that of emotional maturity.  Running from problems only makes them larger, staying to work with Ben would have kept him on the "light" side, instead Luke let his fear control him and ended up with the outcome he feared through inaction.

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Add to that he then pulled off the most jaw droppingly powerful Jedi move we've ever seen and did it in a pacifist way nullifying all those criticisms about the aggressive way the Jedi acted in the PT then came full circle looking out to the twin suns.

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I was really indifferent to TLJ but the negative response to it has made me think maybe it's the best SW movie and maybe the best movie ever, period.

No shit, this is an all-in movie now. You are either an ardent defender or you are one of those dudes who chases Kellie Marie Tran off instagram and signs petitions demanding the return of the straight white male hero. Ours is a house divided and this is no time to find yourself on the wrong side of the divide cuz you have problems with plot structure or whatever.

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19 minutes ago, Control said:

I was really indifferent to TLJ but the negative response to it has made me think maybe it's the best SW movie and maybe the best movie ever, period.

No shit, this is an all-in movie now. You are either an ardent defender or you are one of those dudes who chases Kellie Marie Tran off instagram and signs petitions demanding the return of the straight white male hero. Ours is a house divided and this is no time to find yourself on the wrong side of the divide cuz you have problems with plot structure or whatever.

I'm with you.  If those dudes are on one side, I'm on the other.  

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Oh the RATIOS on that tweet.  

Comparables via https://thetwitterratio.com/:

Rogers Hornsby (1922)  .401 AVG/42 HR/152 RBI
Ty Cobb (1911)  .420 AVG/8 HR/127 RBI

George Sisler (1922)  .420 AVG/8 HR/105 RBI

 

*chef's kiss* Outstanding.   
 

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I made the mistake of looking through that person's tweets. At first I wanted to believe it was just another stupid fucking dork.

Nope. They're clearly another mentally ill person on Twitter.

KILL TWITTER

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Ford's been trying to kill Han for decades; maybe Driver-as-Ren was just happy to give him that release. (Or, uh, he was clearly affected--and his suppression/disregard for those emotions is... really important.)

Anyway they're now going off about "appropriation of nerd culture", as if that wasn't a bought and paid for identity all along, and I just... it would be easier to laugh this sort of thing off if weaponized entitlement like this weren't such a problem in general. I mean I get it on some level: Fiction matters (and it should!), to individual persons and people at large, and the world can be alienating and communities salvation; but communities require conversation and empathy, which are antithetical to the rather famous gatekeeper mentality of which this is just one permutation.

Having said all that, would it thus be hypocritical of me to say Azula's name deserves better than this twitter handle?

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Rewatching TLJ for the first time and most of what annoyed me the first time around really isn’t this time. Also, it has some of the best action sequences of the series.

It’s way too fucking long though.

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On 6/27/2018 at 2:26 PM, Control said:

I was really indifferent to TLJ but the negative response to it has made me think maybe it's the best SW movie and maybe the best movie ever, period.

No shit, this is an all-in movie now. You are either an ardent defender or you are one of those dudes who chases Kellie Marie Tran off instagram and signs petitions demanding the return of the straight white male hero. Ours is a house divided and this is no time to find yourself on the wrong side of the divide cuz you have problems with plot structure or whatever.

This is... bullshit? That's the word I'm thinking of. Yeah, bullshit.

I couldn't have been happier that the movie itself had more inclusive roles. I love Laura Dern, her character, and that her sacrifice is still a gut punch is a testament to how awesome she was. Daisy Ridley is ten times the badass as Rey that Mark Hamill ever was. But it lost me when Fly-With-Me McGee floated her happy ass back onto the ship after, let's see here, 1) no explicit mention of EVER receiving Force training, 2) just being probably concussed by an enormous blast from a star cruiser, and 3) being sucked into the vacuum of space in an instant. 

Keep in mind this is the one overarching theme for the entire film: "None of it matters! Do whatever the Hell we want!"

- Rey is really strong with the Force; is she secretly a Skywalker? None of it matters! Do whatever the Hell we want! (This is probably a positive, since the whole 'inherited blood magic' thing was always one of the poorest aspects of the series)

- Poe just spent 85% of the movie being more or less a traitor and accidentally getting people killed left and right through either sheer bravado, stupidity, or direct mutiny. Should we make him the new leader of this pile of ashes we call the Resistance? None of it matters! Do whatever the Hell we want!

- Should Finn's attempt to steal the codes to the First order cruiser matter? Should his rivalry with Phasma matter? Should his attempt at a noble sacrifice for his friends mean anything? Guess what the answer is!

Say what you will about the simple nuts-and-bolts aspects of the decisions themselves (pair these characters up with these characters, get them from point A to point B, have a fight here, have a resolution there), and the movie almost kinda works. And yeah, it's the same formula all of them have. The problem really boils down to, "Do these things make any damned sense? Do they have a consistent internal logic?" and the answer over and over again in this movie is that they don't. 

Some people won't think twice about this. Some people think it's just a funny quirk of the franchise that they have, for example, sound effects in space. But consistent, disbelief-shattering, badly thought-out choices like the ones Johnson made ad nauseam in this film are just insulting. Not to anyone's manhood (because no one should be taking such an opinion seriously) and not to anyone's fanboyism (see previous), but just to our basic willingness to be taken along for a ride. If he'd made a 150-minute movie of fart noises and fainting goats, that would have felt more honest to me than getting fucked with in this manner. And it's not like the dude couldn't make a tight, compelling movie - he did fucking Looper! - but he just chose...this instead. Don't get me wrong, it still skunks any of the prequel trilogy movies, but "good"? No.  Oh, no, no no.

See also the Washington Post's review of it - look for an article (written by a woman!) entitled "Maybe We Should Stop Grading the Star Wars Movies on a Curve" for a more detailed explanation.

Hopefully this is what you mean by saying that the stuff that bugs you now isn't what bugged you before.

 

On 6/27/2018 at 5:58 PM, RIPPA said:

Have we decided yet on the official name

Rippa's Rule?

Rippa's Theory?

The Rippa Corollary?

Aka "I hate the fans of the things I love"

I think Gandhi beat you to the punch on this by about 60 years.

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