Matt D Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, Craig H said: He seems like he's the kind who wouldn't ultimately give a shit. There’s a way to do things, I hear. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Hayabusa said: I mean, is the Fett arc in Clone Wars not canon no more? I've only seen two or three episodes but I thought he was fleshed out pretty well, the revenge angle and I think there was some stuff with Cad Bane? The Clone Wars stuff should still be cannon. There is just a ton of time between then and even just in the original trilogies that helped mold Boba into what he was then and is now that we haven't seen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Eivion said: The Clone Wars stuff should still be cannon. There is just a ton of time between then and even just in the original trilogies that helped mold Boba into what he was then and is now that we haven't seen. Which I think is going to be the point of the show maybe? "Book of...", to me, is all about fleshing the character out. I could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 It would be nice if Book of Fett actually takes pace over the course of several decades, but I'm not sure that is the route they go with them saying Temuera Morrison and Ming-Na Wen are the leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, elizium said: Maybe because Maul isn't a Mandalorian, taking it from him is considered reclaiming it from an outsider. That left possession up in the air and Sabine rightfully claimed it when she defeated Saxon in combat. As for Bo Katan accepting it from her after that, I can only say I don't know? That's sort of getting really overwrought. Do the Mandalorians have a NSAC athletic commission rulebook on the right of succession for the Darksaber? There's an easy way around this in the storytelling that they should've polished before it went into production: Din Djarin: "Now...it belongs to her." Moff Gideon: "She can't take it. It must be won in battle. In order for her to wield the Darksaber again, she would need to defeat you in combat." Din Djarin: "I yield. It's ours." Moff Gideon: "Oh no *maniacal laugh*. That's how she got it last time. It didn't work out well for her. First she lost the Darksaber, and then she lost Mandalore along with her credibility. The Darksaber was handed to her like a common trinket. She never won it in battle. Now, she stands before you a feckless, deposed, and incompetent ruler. She needed to beat me in order to get back the Darksaber in order to regain what's left of her pitiful standing with your broken, scattered ranks." Din Djarin: "How do you know this?" *To Bo Katan* "Is this true?" Moff Gideon: "Like I said Djarin, assume that I know everything!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Oh, Cody. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 First, put Cody's list in the bin with his neck tattoo. Secondly, I think the sticking point with Bo-Katan is that Gideon beat HER to take the Darksaber, and she felt like she wasn't worthy if she didn't beat the person who beat her. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Ugh, if Bo-Katan is joining Mando S3, and it’s filled with royalty drama, then I can see it being the last season. You go from rousing adventures, to throne room shenanigans. That would be such a weird progression from the space western stories they were telling. If they go in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, RandomAct said: First, put Cody's list in the bin with his neck tattoo. Secondly, I think the sticking point with Bo-Katan is that Gideon beat HER to take the Darksaber, and she felt like she wasn't worthy if she didn't beat the person who beat her. If Gideon beat her, why didn't he kill her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLSigman Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: If Gideon beat her, why didn't he kill her? Because he's an asshole who loves lording it over everyone. HE doesn't care about the meaning of the Darksaber. He just knows how to use it's meaning to some of the Mandalorians against them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, JLSigman said: Because he's an asshole who loves lording it over everyone. HE doesn't care about the meaning of the Darksaber. He just knows how to use it's meaning to some of the Mandalorians against them. That makes no sense. Why would he keep dangerous enemies alive when given the chance to kill them? He was ready to annihilate and kill Din Djarin multiple times. He was willing to kill himself when Luke Skywalker showed up. This idea he didn't kill her to gloat and monologue makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Craig H said: Also, what if Mando just throws a fight to Bo Katan. That's why ultimately the whole needing to win the Darksaber in combat is dumb. It was the one thing I didn't really care for about the finale. 10 hours ago, Matt D said: Does he seem the sort to throw a fight? Mando honors the old way, brother. He's not doing a fingerpoke of doom. Cody's list goes from "decent choice, can't really argue with that" to "holy shit what a nincompoop" pretty quickly. And ranking Rogue One last is the dumbest fucking thing since...well...since ranking Rise of Skywalker above anything. I'd legit rather be kicked in the balls, both of them at the same time, than watch that horrible fetch quest piece of crap again. Hell, I'd rather watch a Dynamite episode with Cody in every match and Cody promos in between than watch that again. I hated Rise of Skywalker so much that I saw it for free on a plane during a work trip and still felt ripped off. I hated it so much that I posted about it here while killing time sitting outside at a Starbucks at Downtown Disney District on an absolutely beautiful California day. There I was, sitting in paradise, trying to enjoy a big coffee after a long and satisfying day of work, waiting to meet some family, posting about how much I hated that movie. That how bad it was. Cody is a moron. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo joe Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 7 hours ago, The Natural said: Oh, Cody. This list is mostly a mess, but at least Cody recognizes that The Last Jedi is the second greatest Star Wars film, behind only The Empire Strikes Back. As for retconning. I'm pretty sure anything not shown in a film/tv series is non-cannon and subject to change. Then again I definitely saw Palpatine got thrown into the core of the Death Star II and explode twice and apparently he's fine, so who the fuck knows? regarding cgi/deepfakes (if you're this deep into the thread it's pointless, but I'll spoiler tag anyway) Spoiler I thought young Luke looked better than Tarkin. It probably helped that they de-aged the actual actor instead of recreating a dead man, but the longer this stuff is on screen the faker it looks. Tarkin has way too much screen time in Rogue One and it was uncanny valley all the way. If you watch the behind the scenes stuff, they cast a dude who sorta looks like Peter Cushing and mo capped his face. I think if you're going to set new Star Wars material in timelines where these characters are still alive you're going to need to recast, because the digital stuff doesn't work if it's anything more than a cameo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo joe Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Fuck it, here's the correct Star Wars list The Empire Strikes Back The Last Jedi A New Hope The Return of the Jedi The Force Awakens Solo Rogue One The Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones The Phantom Menace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 This is the way. 1. Empire Strikes Back 2. A New Hope 3. Return Of The Jedi 4. Mandalorian 5. Rebels 6. Clone Wars 7. Rogue One 8. Force Awakens 9. Revenge Of The Sith 10. Attack Of The Clones 11. Phantom Menace 12. Solo 13. Last Jedi 5,994. Indiana Jones 4 120,039. The Happening 57,000,444. The Midnight Meat Train ... Infinity+1. Rise Of Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, hobo joe said: Fuck it, here's the correct Star Wars list The Empire Strikes Back The Last Jedi A New Hope The Return of the Jedi The Force Awakens Solo Rogue One The Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones The Phantom Menace Good list...any arguing would just be personal preference style nitpicking. I hope not even ranking Rise of Skywalker was intentional! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) Here's mine from what I've seen. Relatively recent Star Wars thanks to my best friend who is more like a brother to me: 1. The Empire Strikes Back. 2. A New Hope. 3. Return of the Jedi. 4. Rogue One. 5. The Force Awakens. 6. Revenge of the Sith. 7. The Last Jedi. 8. Solo. 9. The Phantom Menace. 10. Rise of Skywalker. 11. Attack of the Clones. Edited December 22, 2020 by The Natural 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) The real debate is which is worse: Rise of Skywalker or Attack of the Clones. Which is like trying to figure out who is the worse human being between Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer. EDIT: I meant to say Phantom Menace! Edited December 23, 2020 by Technico Support 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 At least Attack of the Clones advanced the story a bit and led to good stuff (Clone Wars, Revenge of the Sith). Rise of Skywalker was a huge mess of shit being thrown at the screen while changing the main characters of the series and making everything that came before it almost tertiary and basically saying "Fuck off" to everything that wasn't JJ's toy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Raziel said: At least Attack of the Clones advanced the story a bit and led to good stuff (Clone Wars, Revenge of the Sith). Rise of Skywalker was a huge mess of shit being thrown at the screen while changing the main characters of the series and making everything that came before it almost tertiary and basically saying "Fuck off" to everything that wasn't JJ's toy. I agree with all of that! But counterpoint: Phantom Menace came after a 19 year wait following a trilogy that was nothing less than a cultural phenomenon. The anticipation was incredible and we had such high hopes. And then it gave us midiclorians, podracing, a convoluted plot, racist stereotype aliens, terrible dialogue, and really bad child acting. I have never gone from excitement to depression faster in my life. Edited December 23, 2020 by Technico Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1. The Empire Strikes Back. 2. A New Hope. 3. Rogue One. 4. Return of the Jedi. 5. Revenge of the Sith. 6. The Phantom Menace. 7. The Force Awakens. 8. Attack of the Clones. 9. The Last Jedi. 10. Solo. 11. Rise of Skywalker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Technico Support said: I agree with all of that! But counterpoint: Attack of the Clones came after a 19 year wait following a trilogy that was nothing less than a cultural phenomenon. The anticipation was incredible and we had such high hopes. And then it gave us midiclorians, podracing, a convoluted plot, racist stereotype aliens, terrible dialogue, and really bad child acting. I have never gone from excitement to depression faster in my life. That was Phantom Menace. Attack of the Clones is the one with Hayden whatsisface playing Anakin, not the one with Jake Lloyd playing Anakin. The only good thing about TPM was is gave us this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Thanks, that's what I meant. Phantom Menace. Thanks! I think time has dulled people's perceptions of what a crushing disappointment it was, and/or a lot of fans not of my generation don't understand it. The original trilogy was this huge cultural, formative thing. We never thought there'd be another Star Wars movie. And then HOLY SHIT THERE'S A NEW TRILOGY COMING HOLY SHIT TAKE MY MONEY. And then we got trade wars, midiclorians, and Jake (god bless him, not his fault) Lloyd. I literally remember getting back to my apartment after seeing it and just being so absolutely bummed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) The Phantom Menace gave us one of the best things in all of Star Wars: Edited December 23, 2020 by The Natural 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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