OSJ Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 4:48 PM, Jiji said: This part cannot be overstated. It's why I don't think you can do a legitimate GOAT list if you include mic work because that gives a massive advantage to English speakers. We know so much about the full picture of what Anglophone wrestlers present to us but don't for luchadores, Japanese wrestlers, continental European wrestlers, etc. NJPW and Stardom do subtitled promos, which is fucking fantastic, but that's just the past couple of years. Like, I don't really need to know exactly what Rush, Suzuki, or Hokuto say in their promos to get a general understanding and feel the emotions they're wanting to convey but it's a huge barrier to getting a complete understanding, particularly for Japan where there were multiple weekly publications covering the stories surrounding the matches and the behind the scenes workings of promotions and the like. Those crowds were super smart to all that stuff because of Weekly Gong/Weekly Pro-Wrestling. Maeda's picture of a complete selfish prick is complicated when you watch him wrestle guys lower on the totem pole and give them huge hope spots and even dominate sections of matches. But yeah, then there's the Sakata video, the story of he and Mutoh fighting in the '80s, the shoot kicks, the failure of two UWFs because of politics, all of that bullshit. We have been getting some translated biographies of wrestlers which is great. Nakamura's was a real interesting read. I couldn't disagree more. I barely speak a few words of Japanese, (probably horribly), and I never, ever had any doubt in my mind what Atsushi Onita was saying. It didn't matter whether or not I actually understood the words, it was the way he put what he was saying across that made all the difference. I understood EXACTLY what he was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/22/2020 at 6:22 PM, odessasteps said: I think Phil can ban you for posting this match. BP was so fucking great back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, OSJ said: I couldn't disagree more. I barely speak a few words of Japanese, (probably horribly), and I never, ever had any doubt in my mind what Atsushi Onita was saying. It didn't matter whether or not I actually understood the words, it was the way he put what he was saying across that made all the difference. I understood EXACTLY what he was saying. Did you even read what I said? That was one of my points but we still miss context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Jiji said: Did you even read what I said? That was one of my points but we still miss context. I did, and perhaps should have been more specific in that I don't believe that language is an insurmountable barrier in pro-wrestling. As far as context, there really isn't a lot required when talking about mid-90s FMW as I specifically mentioned. You don't need to understand much in the way of context when Onita is throwing himself into barbed wire and Mr. Pogo is carving people up with gardening implements, story pretty much tells itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Yes, and the original conversation was talking about how non-Japanese speakers often miss out on context and less subtly charismatic people like Misawa and Maeda are often mistaken as having no charisma at all. Misawa and Maeda were stoic in delivery. That we cannot just infer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 This wrestling is not from now: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Two pretty good matches here -- LA Park vs. Shocker and Taiyo Kea vs. Sabu (?). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Kazuo Yamazaki VS Don Frye '97.11.2 [Different Seed Martial Arts Battle PART-1] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Posted that recently. Stick around for Frye's promo at the end haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Did you know that Shark Tsuchiya had a TWENTY-SEVEN year career? Amazing. This was probably her best match. Mostly because Kudo would take most of the bumps. TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, DEAN said: Did you know that Shark Tsuchiya had a TWENTY-SEVEN year career? Amazing. This was probably her best match. Mostly because Kudo would take most of the bumps. TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS! 27 years and the number of good matches could be counted on the fingers of one hand... How do you do a thing that long and not get any better at it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 60fps / Inoki & Yamada VS Kido & Takada '86.2.5 [New Japan VS U.W.F.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Tenryu/Koshinaka vs Kobashi/Izumida? Sure. That's a match made in the spirit of WAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I mean, if this is up in full from an official account I'm happy to post it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 @Smelly McUgly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Akira Maeda vs Masa Saito - NJPW IWGP Champion Series 1987 Day 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 This is pretty great (if a bit sloppy) Relevos increíbles between Jungle Jack and Megumi Kido and Combat Toyoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Can some of you post some good Bullet Bob stuff? I'd love to see more of his work. Please and thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Infinit said: Can some of you post some good Bullet Bob stuff? I'd love to see more of his work. Please and thanks Check the RIP thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Check the RIP thread I saw what you shared...thanks for posting those! I was hoping for people to share some more videos here. I didn't see much of Bob, growing up in Canada, so any other cool angles, interviews or matches would be much appreciated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 I always got Bad Nurse Nakamura confused with Crusher Maedori. Maedori was a Shark Tsuchiya clone. I realize with this match that Nakamura was a perfectly fine Megumi Kudo clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, DEAN said: I always got Bad Nurse Nakamura confused with Crusher Maedori. Maedori was a Shark Tsuchiya clone. I realize with this match that Nakamura was a perfectly fine Megumi Kudo clone. I always thought "Bad Nurse Nakamura" was one of the greatest wrestling names ever. The very idea of her being your nurse while laid up is the stuff of nightmares. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Jado & Gedo vs. Koji Kanemoto & Wataru Inoue - 3/4/05 Probably could into Blood Sucking Freaks as well with Wataru getting busted open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 8 hours ago, DEAN said: I always got Bad Nurse Nakamura confused with Crusher Maedori. Maedori was a Shark Tsuchiya clone. I realize with this match that Nakamura was a perfectly fine Megumi Kudo clone. This is how you identify the Mad Dog Military post Combat Toyoda: Bad Nurse = The girl who turned on Kudo and then turned back who looks like the girl from The Ring Miwa Sato = The tiny spunky one Shark = The one who looks like Mr. Pogo who tries to kill Kudo all the time w/ a Kusarigama/sickle Crusher = Ironically, the one with the 93 Crush makeup FWIW I think they all still hang out with each other in 2020, which is hilarious. I saw of video (via the suggested video panel) of them just chilling on like Miwa's Youtube page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Antonio Inoki/Tatsumi Fujinami vs Big Van Vader/Masa Saito (New Japan April 22nd, 1988) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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