SorceressKnight Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, steve said: Well, it certainly seemed like they were building to Ambrose/Renee vs. Miz/Maryse, but it seems like they've downplayed Renee's involvement lately. Meltzer sure would hate Cena/Nikki vs. Miz/Maryse though. It would be a Total Divas tie-in and a Bryan/Miz surrogate, too. Even then, it's a similar question- why HAS WWE stopped using the "If [Babyface] wins, then they/some non-wrestling ally of the babyface gets 5 minutes with [non-wrestling heel who wouldn't normally get their comeuppance]" angle? Something like that would really help any Miz match get what it needed- heck, it'd even be the second time Daniel Bryan would have a Mania match that'd be helped with the stip [Mania 27 and a possible "If Bryan wins, Jerry Lawler gets five minutes with Michael Cole" stip to replace the outright match.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Dolph should either be in a multi man ladder match or being eliminated by Crews in the Andre Battle Royal at Mania. I like Dolph but Cena vs Corbin has more legs on it at this time then Cena vs Ziggler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 hours ago, DTTW said: I'll take it you didn't read Brock's book. Vince might want to claim Brock as his own, but Brock certainly wouldn't see it that way. Dude would have been a star for whoever ended up marketing him. Brock also manipulates Vince to get what he wants, not the other way around. All the bs other guys took from Vince, Brock has expressed his ability to not be blinded by it. Hulk Hogan would bend over backwards for a Mania spot. Brock doesn't give a shit as long as the check clears and if it don't, he ain't doing shit. No I'll owe you one pal, for him. Brock is wrong. He floundered without WWE before getting into UFC. He needed WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 hours ago, SorceressKnight said: Something like that would really help any Miz match get what it needed Promise five minutes with Maryse and guys would maul Brock and Strowman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Victator said: Brock is wrong. He floundered without WWE before getting into UFC. He needed WWE. Sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 He also refused to go back and drop that belt. So the one non-WWE company in the world that could afford him at the time got fucked over. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 6 hours ago, Sublime said: So Joe is getting fed to Rollins and then gets to go into Mania in Limbo with most of the roster. lame. And please do not give us Cena/Ziggler at Mania Cena and the fans deserve better than that. Corbin that I can work with (it'd be better for the title and a great way to make a new star out of Corbin beating Cena for his first title at Mania but you know creating stars is what WWE is all about.....) Deliberate DQ, let him have his match at Mania, but not before HHH and Joe try to reinjure his knee. Call back to the cinderblocks or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 The point is though, Vince and the WWE made Brock. What might have happened otherwise or what Lesnar says about it is not really relevant to the conversation. That is what happened. And I get he would take the best offer in a second but he is just doing what every part time guy does now, call his own shots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Dewar said: Cena destroys the Bucks of Youth in a handicap match. No Superkicks or Meltzer Drivers delivered. Would be minus 1 star, but Dave gets drunk and thinks he is in the Tokyo Dome (despite the stadium in Orlando not having a roof). I'd give such a match at least 3 stars. 4 if Cena does a call back to his UPW days and says beating up the big stars of the Reseda area isn't anything new to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Dolfan in NYC said: Sure. Yeah what I was referring to. Did you seriously think I did not know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Dewar said: He also refused to go back and drop that belt. So the one non-WWE company in the world that could afford him at the time got fucked over. Brock's a dick. I could tell you that and I've never met the mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Victator said: Brock is wrong. He floundered without WWE before getting into UFC. He needed WWE. 31 minutes ago, joseph2112 said: The point is though, Vince and the WWE made Brock. What might have happened otherwise or what Lesnar says about it is not really relevant to the conversation. That is what happened. And I get he would take the best offer in a second but he is just doing what every part time guy does now, call his own shots. Vince and Co had fuck all to do with the man growing up and getting into real wrestling. They didn't instruct him to jump security and approach Dana White directly. Someone with half a brain cell would have tapped this guy at some point. It's been done on so many lesser people - Kimbo jumps to mind immediately. It's not genius to market a monstrous human being as a bad ass. Hell Dixie and Co managed to pull of the same thing with Joe. Brock is simply an overpriced hired gun. If anything Vince is the dumb one here. The return on the investment doesn't seem to equal out and having an assumed steroid abuser on your active roster is a shitty pr thing in light of the fact you were federally investigated over such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 "COULD'VE" yes...but Vince put Brock on TV first. Would UFC PPVs have a big a bump with Brock Lesnar on the card if he wasn't "Brock Lesnar, ex-WWE superstar"? It's pretty easy to look back and say "someone eventually would've made Brock a star"...but Vince did it first. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 22 minutes ago, DTTW said: Vince and Co had fuck all to do with the man growing up and getting into real wrestling. No he just made him a viable star. 22 minutes ago, DTTW said: They didn't instruct him to jump security and approach Dana White directly. Someone with half a brain cell would have tapped this guy at some point. Who? Because in 2001/2002 there was nothing but WWE. Was Brock going to become a megastar wrestling for TNA in a barn? UFC was on its ass in 2002. Brock did not have the dedication to make it in Japan, which was in the toilet at the time too. So best case scenario, he becomes an also ran fighter in an also ran promotion. Who might have gotten over if the Ultimate Fighter still happens in this alternate universe. But he would not be the star he is now without WWE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 This is what Owens vs Goldberg should be like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 While we're throwing complete horse crap against the wall let me take a stab. Brock born same year as Mark Henry and does World's strongest man and beats him every time. Then what happens to Mark Henry??????UFC????PRIDE?????NJPW????XFL????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yeah like anyone can out power Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarr Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 All knowing DVDVR -- can you help with this question posed to me? Anybody know for certain which magazine FlairChops is asking about? I'd looking to buy it on eBay just to scan in this contest page, I can say with 90% certainty that it's not a WCW Wrestling Wrap-Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Victator said: No he just made him a viable star. Who? Because in 2001/2002 there was nothing but WWE. Was Brock going to become a megastar wrestling for TNA in a barn? UFC was on its ass in 2002. Brock did not have the dedication to make it in Japan, which was in the toilet at the time too. So best case scenario, he becomes an also ran fighter in an also ran promotion. Who might have gotten over if the Ultimate Fighter still happens in this alternate universe. But he would not be the star he is now without WWE. They've sold you on the idea he's a star, but how is that working out? He didn't usher in an era of new ratings highs and I'm doubtful he moved WWE PPV numbers like he did for the UFC, but I don't have those numbers. It's certainly paid off well for Lesnar. I'd suspect he's more known to a general audience because of the UFC and not the WWE. My mom certainly doesn't know about him because he beat up the Hardy brothers. Who says it had to be in wrestling or MMA? Brock is a unique physical specimen - no one should tell him how well being a movie star pays - it requires less travel and you don't need to be face punched. If he liked to mindlessly screw women I'm sure there are several companies that would have worked with him. In a world of viral moving images, him being an unknown doing something insane on video would have drawn attention and would have brought a money truck to his door for something. You can't teach what Brock is and you'd have to be blind to miss it. If it wasn't WWE, it would have been someone else, doing god knows what with him. Personally, I think Brock being a comedy foil would get over like a million bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The reason he drew in UFC was because of his time in WWE. He may not have created record high ratings, but he was still pushed as a top star for nearly two years. His first fight was clearly a freak show attraction like Punk, only Brock is not a skinny fat half man. But WWE is what made him any sort of draw. Now you are trying to say he could have been a viral video star or an actor. Brock is a fighter and that is it. Since he was not good enough for the Olympics, he would have went to work on a pig farm or something. In the end it doesn't matter, because WWE did find him first and they were the only game in town. Unless you think Brock could have been a gifted heart surgeon or astronaut,. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 And before anybody puts the blame on Brock for not "moving ratings" or whatever, remember this. At one point the dude was white hot as a heel and he had everybody wanting so bad to cheer him. He was poised for a big time, money making run. But like always, WWE is gonna WWE and they properly blew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brysynner Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 12 hours ago, DTTW said: I'll take it you didn't read Brock's book. Vince might want to claim Brock as his own, but Brock certainly wouldn't see it that way. Dude would have been a star for whoever ended up marketing him. Brock also manipulates Vince to get what he wants, not the other way around. All the bs other guys took from Vince, Brock has expressed his ability to not be blinded by it. Hulk Hogan would bend over backwards for a Mania spot. Brock doesn't give a shit as long as the check clears and if it don't, he ain't doing shit. No I'll owe you one pal, for him. So Heyman manipulates Brock who manipulates Vince. Paul E. really is a mad genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Victator said: Unless you think Brock could have been a gifted heart surgeon or astronaut,. Once again, something I never knew I wanted to see until now. Brock would have been a bad ass astronaut or heart surgeon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 If he wanted to, he could be solving mysteries nation-wide out of a van with a talking dog and Rena Mero too. Like you wouldn't watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: If he wanted to, he could be solving mysteries nation-wide out of a van with a talking dog and Rena Mero too. Like you wouldn't watch. Maybe he's secretly out solving crimes when not wrestling. Any actual cities mentioned on Suplex City t-shirts are where he sorted out a cold case before going back to his hunting lodge that he calls Cabot Cove. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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