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JANUARY 2017 WRESTLING DISCUSSION


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I actually read rude's WON bio the other day. 

Rood was given a minor push at the beginning, miscast because of his looks, not recognizing he had a certain attitude that made him a natural heel, as a babyface with the gimmick, creatively enough, as the toughest bouncer in Minneapolis, who was a former arm-wrestling champion, to feud with then-National heavyweight champion Larry Zbyszko.

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Per Dave on the radio show - the reason New Orleans got Mania again so soon (since apparently there were 15 cities who wanted it) is because 2018 is the 300th anniversary of the city and the city pitched it to the WWE as making Mania one of the cornerstones of the anniversary celebration

Also - Mania is taking place a week later than normal next year (April 8 instead of April 1) because April 1 is Easter

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7 minutes ago, DTTW said:

Given the history of wrestlers kids, it might be wise to not try and do what your daddy did. 

Alberto Del Rio, Ayako Hamada, Bob Jr and Randy Orton, Bret and Owen Hart, Barry Windham, Brad Armstrong, Cody and Dustin Rhodes, All the Gurrerro's, Curt Henning, Dean Malenko, the Funks, Greg Valentine, Harry Smith, Negro Casas, Randy Savage, Tully Blanchard, Ted Dibiase Sr, Bray Wyatt, and The Rock all disagree.

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5 minutes ago, Raziel403 said:

Alberto Del Rio, Ayako Hamada, Bob Jr and Randy Orton, Bret and Owen Hart, Barry Windham, Brad Armstrong, Cody and Dustin Rhodes, All the Gurrerro's, Curt Henning, Dean Malenko, the Funks, Greg Valentine, Harry Smith, Negro Casas, Randy Savage, Tully Blanchard, Ted Dibiase Sr, Bray Wyatt, and The Rock all disagree.

Many of those you listed have had some very bad experiences in life directly related to wrestling.

Jake Roberts, 4/5th of the Von Erichs, and Reid Flair scream stay away.

But bigger point...you will forever live in that shadow. Men and women from all walks of life have failed under less insane legacies to follow. Might be wise to try and do something else with your life.

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15 hours ago, L_W_P said:

Cena should win the title using the One Winged Angel at the Rumble.

No one in the WWE Universe is stupid, er,  brave enough to take that move.

If he really wanted to get under Omega's skin, Cena'd use a move from one of the Street Fighter games as a finisher.

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41 minutes ago, Raziel403 said:

Alberto Del Rio, Ayako Hamada, Bob Jr and Randy Orton, Bret and Owen Hart, Barry Windham, Brad Armstrong, Cody and Dustin Rhodes, All the Gurrerro's, Curt Henning, Dean Malenko, the Funks, Greg Valentine, Harry Smith, Negro Casas, Randy Savage, Tully Blanchard, Ted Dibiase Sr, Bray Wyatt, and The Rock all disagree.

Yes worked out great for Owen...

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1 hour ago, DTTW said:

Many of those you listed have had some very bad experiences in life directly related to wrestling.

Jake Roberts, 4/5th of the Von Erichs, and Reid Flair scream stay away.

But bigger point...you will forever live in that shadow. Men and women from all walks of life have failed under less insane legacies to follow. Might be wise to try and do something else with your life.

I've heard Jake's story. The worst things to happen to him had nothing to do with wrestling. 

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39 minutes ago, Victator said:

I've heard Jake's story. The worst things to happen to him had nothing to do with wrestling. 

Jake got into the business to spite his wrestler father. I'm sure Jake would have screwed up no matter what because of his daddy issues, but the wrestling life style did him no favors. Why you'd want your kids to get into that boggles my mind. I mean do strippers want their daughters to grow up and become strippers? Can't imagine that but we live in strange times.

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17 minutes ago, DTTW said:

Jake got into the business to spite his wrestler father. I'm sure Jake would have screwed up no matter what because of his daddy issues, but the wrestling life style did him no favors. Why you'd want your kids to get into that boggles my mind. I mean do strippers want their daughters to grow up and become strippers? Can't imagine that but we live in strange times.

I'll say what I always do when people compare being a wrestler to being a porn star or stripper. Why do you have a hobby you think so little of?

Jake's issues almost certainly come from being sexually abused as a boy. Jake the construction worker or Jake the Fry Cook would still have that baggage and would most likely turn to drugs and alcohol to cope with them. Wrestling might have given him easier access but it was not the root. 

I read in the newspaper that drug overdoses are at an all time high in my state and keep rising nationally. This is not a wrestling issue. It is an issue afflicting humanity.

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1 hour ago, DTTW said:

Why you'd want your kids to get into that boggles my mind. I mean do strippers want their daughters to grow up and become strippers? Can't imagine that but we live in strange times.

No woman wants that for her daughter, but when the rent comes due the landlord expects payment not excuses.

I don't cast a judgmental eye on anyone's main hustle or side hustle so long as it's legal. 

Stack your paper, keep your head above water, do your best to improve your situation if you can.

1 hour ago, DTTW said:

I'm sure Jake would have screwed up no matter what because of his daddy issues, but the wrestling life style did him no favors

The not quite so noble profession of Pro Wrestling gave Jake a place to thrive financially and creatively.  He picked the career path that was best for him even though sadly it also put him within arm's length of the demons out to ensnare him.

To paraphrase a quote from Fences,  Jake did not know how to take the crookeds with the straights.

What other choices did he have, though?  Jake was so good at being an in-ring performer and excelled at the booking side of the business, that IMO he pretty much proved that he was fit for no other profession than being a pro wrestler.

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Here is a silly question.

Why do WWE and New Japan treat each other like competitors? WWE only runs Japan a few times a year at most. New Japan runs shows in America even less. I don't think New Japan does WWE style touring in Japan. By that I mean they run for a few weeks then take a few weeks off. 

Why can't they share talent like WCW and New Japan did in the 90's to the benefit of everyone?

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1 hour ago, DTTW said:

Jake got into the business to spite his wrestler father. I'm sure Jake would have screwed up no matter what because of his daddy issues, but the wrestling life style did him no favors. Why you'd want your kids to get into that boggles my mind. I mean do strippers want their daughters to grow up and become strippers? Can't imagine that but we live in strange times.

If you hold wrestling in so little regard, why the hell do you spend time watching/discussing it?

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20 minutes ago, Victator said:

Here is a silly question.

Why do WWE and New Japan treat each other like competitors? WWE only runs Japan a few times a year at most. New Japan runs shows in America even less. I don't think New Japan does WWE style touring in Japan. By that I mean they run for a few weeks then take a few weeks off. 

Why can't they share talent like WCW and New Japan did in the 90's to the benefit of everyone?

I think the WWE sees NJPW as a talent pool to be raided, but I am not sure they see NJPW as a competitor.

Sharing talent could work both ways and open the door to WWE workers having the freedom to take extensive bookings in Japan, and I don't think Vince is ready for that sort of arrangement.

I have to think that given the current booking, Gallows and Anderson would LOVE the idea of being able to work NJPW for six months or so in exchange for NJPW sending some talent to CWC or something.

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6 minutes ago, Victator said:

Here is a silly question.

Why do WWE and New Japan treat each other like competitors? WWE only runs Japan a few times a year at most. New Japan runs shows in America even less. I don't think New Japan does WWE style touring in Japan. By that I mean they run for a few weeks then take a few weeks off. 

Why can't they share talent like WCW and New Japan did in the 90's to the benefit of everyone?

WWE doesn't see NJPW as competition, and that pisses NJPW off. Right now, they are particularly pissed off about Nakamura. Liger worked Takeover as a NJPW talent. NJPW being pissed off is likely the reason we saw none of their guys in the CWC. I don't think WWE is necessarily against it.

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Right now, they are particularly pissed off about Nakamura. Liger worked Takeover as a NJPW talent. NJPW being pissed off is likely the reason we saw none of their guys in the CWC. I don't think WWE is necessarily against it.

Spoiler

 

Clay Davis translating that for WWE, NSFW

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2 hours ago, Victator said:

I'll say what I always do when people compare being a wrestler to being a porn star or stripper. Why do you have a hobby you think so little of?

It was more of a point of if you know something sucks, why would you want your kids getting in it. I mean I've heard wrestlers say directly they don't want their kids getting into the wrestling business.

Jake the Fry Cook can't afford Jake the Superstars drug habit. 

1 hour ago, Raziel403 said:

If you hold wrestling in so little regard, why the hell do you spend time watching/discussing it?

What other business is as crazy as wrestling? There isn't any I've found. Shits fascinating.

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2 hours ago, DTTW said:

Jake got into the business to spite his wrestler father. I'm sure Jake would have screwed up no matter what because of his daddy issues, but the wrestling life style did him no favors. Why you'd want your kids to get into that boggles my mind. I mean do strippers want their daughters to grow up and become strippers? Can't imagine that but we live in strange times.

I have watched plenty of documentaries on the Internet to believe that that is indeed the case.

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Jake the Fry Cook can't afford Jake the Superstars drug habit. 

Then again Jake the Fry Cook would not get the chances Jake the Wrestler has. I know people younger than Jake who have dropped dead and ended up in prison.

Also I don't think wrestling is responsible for the things Grizzly Smith has allegedly done in his life. His objections to Jake being a wrestler seem to be purely ego.

I suppose spite is not a good reason for becoming a wrestler. But if its good enough for the Bigger Brothers Organization. 

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