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DECEMBER 2016 WRESTLING DISCUSSION... for now

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Eivion

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4 hours ago, Phantom Lord said:

I swear when Davari hit Jack Gallagher with the table during the duel, the crowd started chanting "BAD FORM...BAD FORM" like they were all Dustin Hoffman in Hook. Of course I am going deaf and I could have just been hearing what I wanted to hear.

I don't recall that. I do recall them calling Daivari a scoundrel.

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20 grand...they only get 20 grand....what the fuck man. You can make better money and get multiple benefits, days off, even free education, getting a job at Starbucks. And they fuck you over on who you can work for....jesus christ this company sucks.

What's the poverty standard in the UK? I believe its $23,000 in the US.

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If the heel/face dynamic has little impact on who the fans cheer or boo, what is its purpose at this point?

In pro sports, fans reactions are based on who they want to win.

If I don't like Reigns, why am I critiqued for not wanting to cheer him and actively rooting against him.

 

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19 minutes ago, DTTW said:

20 grand...they only get 20 grand....what the fuck man. You can make better money and get multiple benefits, days off, even free education, getting a job at Starbucks. And they fuck you over on who you can work for....jesus christ this company sucks.

What's the poverty standard in the UK? I believe its $23,000 in the US.

They aren't exclusive to WWE so its not like they can't make more money working other promotions as well. Still that feels too damn low for tv show.

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I think for a lot of guys, the exposure alone will make this worthwhile. Guys like Chris Tyler, HC Dyer or Jack Starz don't work the major UK indies, and this will almost certainly lead to them working bigger companies in the next 12 months. Heck, Fabian Aichner suddenly got Progress and IPW:UK bookings after the Cruiserweight Classic, so a good showing for those guys will increase their visibility in the UK as well as putting them on the WWE radar. The bigger names like Bate and Dunne will hopefully be able to work this into more international bookings (assuming they don't do anything else with WWE after the tournament, which of course they might), so that would cancel out losing the WCPW bookings. Really, it feels like only Conners is taking a real gamble, as he was main eventing in WCPW and I don't see him having enough to offer WWE, fan of him though I am

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£16000 is still going to be a huge amount of money to these guys. As Regal pointed out, they can all up their money now they're under the WWE banner. For some this is a bigger jump than others, but they're all happy about not having to worry about the tuna bill. Bet that.

I doubt you'd make £16000 working as a Barista at Starbucks unless you did a ton of overtime, and I don't think they get the same kind of education access here fwiw.

 

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24 minutes ago, Sin Carne said:

£16000 is still going to be a huge amount of money to these guys. As Regal pointed out, they can all up their money now they're under the WWE banner. For some this is a bigger jump than others, but they're all happy about not having to worry about the tuna bill. Bet that.

I doubt you'd make £16000 working as a Barista at Starbucks unless you did a ton of overtime, and I don't think they get the same kind of education access here fwiw.

 

Math. 8.25×40×52= 17,160 plus benefits. And google says they make 9+ an hour, not 8.25.

How is that huge money, especially if a retail job pays better and offers more benefits? Yeah it's more than a hot dog and a coke to wrestle, but 17k is shit pay and it's rather insulting compared to what they would get being on any SAG show.

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I'm not saying this is 100% perfect, but the way I see it at the moment, this 16.000 is more of a bonus, to what they are already making on the Indies.

Even without WOS and WCPW, there are so many promotions in the UK, the more talented wrestlers can easily work two or three days every weekend.

Besides, at the moment the only thing they're scheduled for is the UK tournament and even if the weekly UK show comes to fruition, that'll probably only be one taping per month or so like NXT.

They'll also probably be in the front line for consideration for a full-time WWE contract. So I wouldn't see this all negative.

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1 hour ago, JohnnyJ said:

If the heel/face dynamic has little impact on who the fans cheer or boo, what is its purpose at this point?

In pro sports, fans reactions are based on who they want to win.

If I don't like Reigns, why am I critiqued for not wanting to cheer him and actively rooting against him.

Heel/face dynamics have been skewed since the Attitude Era, IMO.  Austin was an asshole.  But he was going against a bigger, richer asshole in his boss and looked cool doing it, so it worked.  Rock was obnoxious, but had enough charisma to light up NYC on his own, so he also worked.  But those two are lightning in a teapot.  That they overlapped each other is incredible, and no one else will ever be on that level again for various reasons.

Using a sports analogy, Roman Reigns is the New England Patriots.  Tom Brady-ish. He has plenty of fans, but also his share of detractors. Fans want to rub his accomplishments in others' faces, detractors want to see him get his brains kicked in.  Both are good-looking, have women (and a lot of men) in ecstasy, are pretty kid friendly. Both have overlords in their lives to keep things moving along. Both are damned good at what they do. They win a lot.  Not every year/match, but their winning percentage is top-notch. The biggest difference is New England has indicators that points to cheating.  Reigns doesn't.  But on all other metrics, they match up pretty well.

But it seems too polished, too easy, like they're getting special treatment/the rub.  And probably are. People don't like when someone who seemingly has so much going in their favor gets even more attention.

There's a good story to be told with that criteria, as long as the writing matches the strengths of the character.  Reigns' best booking came during the Styles feud, when he was an arrogant prick who could back up his bravado by kicking serious ass. He wasn't a heel, but he also wasn't a hippy-dippy face. That feud was booked really well, but RAW didn't keep that up for anyone on the show.

RAW's biggest problem is they don't take any chances with their writing.  As tiring as it got toward the end, the James Ellsworth saga was well done and they blew it off perfectly and now have him being coddled by Carmella.  Interesting stuff.  RAW in its current state wouldn't try that.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, DTTW said:

Math. 8.25×40×52= 17,160 plus benefits. And google says they make 9+ an hour, not 8.25.

How is that huge money, especially if a retail job pays better and offers more benefits? Yeah it's more than a hot dog and a coke to wrestle, but 17k is shit pay and it's rather insulting compared to what they would get being on any SAG show.

But it will be hard to get in 2000+ hrs of work in between January 14th and January 15th...

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1 hour ago, mattdangerously said:

A $20K contract from a promotion that will be around long enough to pay the entire contract seems like a fair trade off for no contract working for company that may not even be around for very long.

I'm sure this is good money for many of these guys, but a one year contract with a giant corporation trying to make you a tv star shouldn't be slightly more than poverty wages levels. I mean, porn pays better for a year contracted talent.

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$20k for 2 days work with possibly more down the line, with only a couple promotions one can't work with.  I'm failing to find an issue with this.  You're acting like they can only work for WWE during that year.

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16 minutes ago, DTTW said:

I'm sure this is good money for many of these guys, but a one year contract with a giant corporation trying to make you a tv star shouldn't be slightly more than poverty wages levels. I mean, porn pays better for a year contracted talent.

Let's be honest/realistic, they don't actually have any grandiose plans for these guys.

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There's also pretty much no plans announced for any more WWE UK content post the tournament, or that they're going to make the WWE UK Champion come to the US for TV defenses and the belt isn't going to end up like the Light Heavyweight title originally did and just float somewhere else until someone remembers they have it.

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The booking problem with the WWE is just that: a booking problem. It's not about booking (merely) what the fans want or even getting them to do/like what/who management wants, it's about booking in an interesting surprising satisfying long-term logical manner. All the interWeb exposing of the biz - who is signed, who is suspended, who sells merch - can be easily woven into the storylines. This is what every armchair IWC pinhead has harped on, but it comes down to this: GET A GOOD BOOKER. A small booking committee with authority and autonomy would suffice. Put PPatterson on it, please, and Heyman. DBryan  would quickly get up to speed alongside those two. Screw these "writers". You can teach the crowd the beauty of long term booking just like you get over the idea of top guys tapping to submissions.  

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2 hours ago, DTTW said:

Math. 8.25×40×52= 17,160 plus benefits. And google says they make 9+ an hour, not 8.25.

How is that huge money, especially if a retail job pays better and offers more benefits? Yeah it's more than a hot dog and a coke to wrestle, but 17k is shit pay and it's rather insulting compared to what they would get being on any SAG show.

Can I see your 9+ source?

https://www.ft.com/content/eb37c808-62db-11e5-a28b-50226830d644

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1 hour ago, Raziel403 said:

$20k for 2 days work with possibly more down the line, with only a couple promotions one can't work with.  I'm failing to find an issue with this.  You're acting like they can only work for WWE during that year.

Fine. I disagree. If you're going to restrict my ability to make money in any way, you better pay enough that it won't be a problem. Slightly more than poverty doesn't cover that to me.

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They are getting paid 20 grand for two days of work. I'm going out on the world's shortest limb and assuming that no matter how many shows they work for WCPW and WOS, they would not come close to making that 20 grand back.

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5 hours ago, DTTW said:

20 grand...they only get 20 grand....what the fuck man. You can make better money and get multiple benefits, days off, even free education, getting a job at Starbucks.

Yeah but you have to work at Starbucks for 40 hours a week. They'll have a lot more days off with WWE. For the limited dates these guys are doing with WWE, 20 grand is good money. It means they can wrestle full-time. 

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4 hours ago, Sin Carne said:

£16000 is still going to be a huge amount of money to these guys. As Regal pointed out, they can all up their money now they're under the WWE banner. For some this is a bigger jump than others, but they're all happy about not having to worry about the tuna bill. Bet that.

I doubt you'd make £16000 working as a Barista at Starbucks unless you did a ton of overtime, and I don't think they get the same kind of education access here fwiw.

 

They'd make decent coin working as a Batista at Starbucks though.

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