Phil Schneider Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 We chose as our first champ Necro Butcher v. Toby Klein IWA-MS 6/25/04 SC REVIEW Nominate some contenders, discuss the match ect. below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Had to watch as I've seen the first one a bunch. It's not as good, the sprint idea worked better without the weapons and the strikes were more in prevalence. It's kind of got the law of diminishing returns, like Joe vs. Necro II. Still really good and really nuts. The sound of the first ram-style headbutt that Toby threw on the floor was ridiculous and then it just went from there. Again the strikes are worse than any of the weapons stuff. That Thunder Fire on the concrete was gross and Necro trying to destroy his shoulder on that dive (it reminded me of Hector Garza dying in that famous six-man in CMLL) was too. There's gotta be a better contender though for '04; Punk and Prazak do their best to drive this down, especially Punk who is checked out already and referencing Chappelle Show and shit for no reason. Did like the Raven Mack reference though and hope he's still alive out there somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I know Phil has always been partial to Necro/Toby but they had better matches Others will say either Punk/Joe match - eh I mean 2004 had the Kobashi/Akiyama match which was awesome and Takayama and Suzuki punching each other a lot. If we are looking for a better garbage match - Cactus Jack vs. Randy Orton is better - and we all know how much I hate Randy Orton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I'm not really good at "defending matches," but if we can just make mentions of ones for sake of consideration, how about either Victoria vs. Molly Holly or Guerrero vs. Angle from WM 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I vividly remember watching Akiyama vs. Kobashi from 2004 for the first time. I was a Saturday night in college, I drew the DD straw for the evening, and when my housemates all crashed at the end of the night, this baby was fully downloaded in my Kazaa account. A close runner-up for me from 2004 is Eddie vs. Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 That's not even the year's best Kobashi match. This is: I'd go with Eddy/Brock as MOTY, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I forgot, '04 was the big Takayama breakout year, right? It might be one of those matches that's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Kobashi/Takayama seems like a worthy challenger, but let's not overlook Misawa/Ogawa vs. Saito/Inoue. It's about as close to heel Misawa as we ever got, and the underdog story worked so well with Inoue. Very good chance it's the best career match for three of the four participants. I also need to re-watch Aries/Joe from Final Battle. I remember liking it a lot, but I haven't seen it in probably 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Upon looking back at the year on Cagematch I think (think) it was actually 2002. But yeah, the Kobashi match is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 6 hours ago, RIPPA said: I know Phil has always been partial to Necro/Toby but they had better matches You're just cross we dumped on your LCO tag And I'm actually the one who pushed through this match, over the match Phil wanted (which is likely the better match and will probably usurp the 2004 title, though it shockingly hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet), so any critiques of this pick can go straight to me. I love this match and think it smokes the 2003 sprint. I think it's maybe the most violent thing I've seen, and perhaps Necro's best all time performance. Yeah it had two shitheads making Reservoir Dogs references like they were the first assholes to quote Tarantino (I'm sure we got a real fresh Royale with Cheese bit later in the show), but I loved all off this match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Also I was at Brock/Eddy live and it's one of my very favorite live match experiences. That one will certainly turn up as a challenger (though all the suggestions in the thread are aces so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Quote Yeah it had two shitheads making Reservoir Dogs references like they were the first assholes to quote Tarantino (I'm sure we got a real fresh Royale with Cheese bit later in the show That was the other one that really grated on my nerves. At least the Chappelle joke was topical! EDIT: Looking on the external, I did have Necro/Klein '04 on there after all. My memory is shot; I didn't think I'd ever seen it... Heh, there's also Joe/Punk broadway, don't think I ever finished it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hashimoto vs Kawada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Yuppie Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 15 hours ago, NintendoLogic said: That's not even the year's best Kobashi match. This is: I'd go with Eddy/Brock as MOTY, though. I was just starting to discover NOAH in 2004, which is the same time Fox Sports Net was constantly airing PRIDE during weekday afternoons when I had a break between class and work. Needless to say, I saw a lot of Takayama that year and couldn't help but wonder how the guy was still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Top of my head there's Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama and Yoshihiro Takayama, Brock Lesnar vs. Eddie Guerrero at No Way Out, Randy Orton vs. Mick Foley from Backlash, Eddie Guerrero vs. JBL at Judgment Day. The Joe vs. Punk ttrilogy, I'm particularly fond of the second and third match in the series. Overall though, I'd still give the nod to Kobashi vs. Akiyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 My memory is shit so I would need to rewatch these to remember which was great and which ones made me sad (but it might jog someone's memory) Averno vs. Zumbido (09/03/04) Averno vs. El Hijo del Santo (10/22/04) L.A. Park vs Ultimo Guerrero (04/18/04) There is also a El Hijo Del Santo vs. Perro Aguayo Jr. match that people love but I can't remember which one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 hour ago, GOTNW said: Hashimoto vs Kawada. Wait... if that was 2004... yeah, that wins automatically. No question, wrap it up and stamp it it's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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