bink_winkleman Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Showcasing the evils of religion is never gonna get you SJW blasted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Showcasing the evils of religion is never gonna get you SJW blasted... Actually the evils of people hiding behind religion is what is going on. But yeah, the real story is Cersei being so blinded by revenge that she had no idea whom she was aligning herself with. Her arrogance continues to be her hubris and the High Sparrow played her for an idiot. The only thing she probably learned from the experience is "Don't make fake friends with the clergy." Hopefully she'll be wiser for the experience but I kinda doubt it. She will just find a way to torment the Tyrell family that doesn't involve public nudity or being pelted with rotten vegtables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I agree that it's showing the evils of persecution and witch-hunting and slut-shaming and yadda yadda yadda. But I do have one gripe: did it have to go on THAT DAMN LOOOOOONG?! We literally watched her walk all the way from one side of the city to the other. What, you need all that time to fill up the moments where we don't have footage of Brienne's sword cutting Stannis's head off, or footage of Theon and Sansa landing wherever/however they landed, or footage of what the hell the Dothraaki did AFTER they were so ecstatic to have stumbled over Dany. Thankfully, for those rare moments when a naked woman (and her naked body double, which is understandable, but it just makes everything even weirder) wasn't available to fill time, we had all that nice long footage of Jon being stabbed over and over again like it was a Monty Python sketch, complete with just sitting there to stare at his cold dead face and his blood soaking the snow for like thirty seconds straight. And THAT'S the final image of the season. Artistic and gutsy? Oh hell very much yes. But it still feels like one big "fuck you for liking this show!" from the people who make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 This episode was brought to you by 'everything dies' by Type O Negative. Honestly might as well have had that on loop in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidGoldBomb Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Showcasing the evils of religion is never gonna get you SJW blasted... Actually the evils of people hiding behind religion is what is going on. But yeah, the real story is Cersei being so blinded by revenge that she had no idea whom she was aligning herself with. Her arrogance continues to be her hubris and the High Sparrow played her for an idiot. The only thing she probably learned from the experience is "Don't make fake friends with the clergy." Hopefully she'll be wiser for the experience but I kinda doubt it. She will just find a way to torment the Tyrell family that doesn't involve public nudity or being pelted with rotten vegtables. ~ZOMBIE MOUNTAIN~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Looks like I can officially join the Maesters group as I have began reading the books. If Book 6 drops any time soon I'll have to dive right into that, though. So what exactly happened at the end of Book 5? Why do people say Jon's death was ambiguous? Is that how it was worded? I have to think he's coming back in some form because the rest of the story with the white walkers doesn't really work without him does it? This also gets him out of the fucking nights watch and their bullshit oath. I still think the motherfucker has dragon blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Looks like I can officially join the Maesters group as I have began reading the books. If Book 6 drops any time soon I'll have to dive right into that, though. So what exactly happened at the end of Book 5? Why do people say Jon's death was ambiguous? Is that how it was worded? I have to think he's coming back in some form because the rest of the story with the white walkers doesn't really work without him does it? This also gets him out of the fucking nights watch and their bullshit oath. I still think the motherfucker has dragon blood. Have you read Dance of the Dragons yet? I'd tell you, but the book kind of spells it out for you. There is a chapter in the book that basically spells out how someone like Jon specifically can overcome death, and there seems to be no other reason for the chapter to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 knights watch arent very strict with all their vows. Or at least selectively enforce them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 He's. Not. Dead. God. Fucking. Dammit. Hell Fucking Yeah He's Not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Not to beat a dead (Dorne) horse, but what about mah: "Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I am perfectly fine with most of the episode. Reek & Sansa - Yes, more snow would have been nice but Reek became Theon and they took their chances on a small patch of snow rather than going back to Ramsey. I believe this will lead to them being rescued by Pod and/or Brienne and they head to Castle Black. I also wouldn't be shocked if Ramsey/Roose intercept Theon and Sansa only for Brienne to pop up for the rescue. The amount of snow on the ground is a small complaint for her escape. It felt like a positive moment when watching live. The Fall of Stannis - I have never understood the support for Stannis so swift comeuppance for the burning of Shireen was needed. He needed to die. Brienne was the proper person to kill him. Whoever said Mel was in a no win situation was right on. If she sticks around, she is toast so her abandoning Stannis was fine in my book. He deserved to lose everything he worked for. Dorne- Yeah this sucked. Arya - I have no problem with the overkill of Trant the pedophile. He got stabbed in both eyes and Arya got revenge. It looked cool and I have been hoping Arya starts knocking people off her name list. Her punishment of being blinded was to be expected. No problem with this scene. Dany & Mereen - I think the reasons for making Tyrion the leader of Mereen was hokey but at least he is alive. I am more upset they haven't addressed the greyscale of Jorah. Also, Dario and Jorah go on another GoT buddy trip. Stupid. Cersei's walk - It may have lasted a little long but it felt appropriate and was painful to watch. It was pretty effective in seeing somebody you hate go through such ridicule that you aren't comfortable in seeing them punished. Plus Sir Robert Strong. Jon Snow - If this is a work and he is coming back, I thought this was fine since we have Mel there to resurrect him and someone like Davos who can be his right hand man on his new adventure. If this is the end, what shitty story-telling. For me, this was always a story about the children.... Dany, Jon Snow, Tyrion, Arya, etc. When one of the older characters dies (Ned, Stannis, Cat, Barristan the Bold), I am perfectly fine with that. Joffrey needed to die. Robb made a huge mistake for love and it cost him his head. I am ok with that. Bronn, Jaime, Cersei, Marge, Tommen, Myrcella, Dario, Pod, Gendry, Davos, Sam, Gilly, Ramsey, Roose, Varys, Littlefinger, Hodor, the Sand Snakes and on and on could all die next episode and I would be fine with it. They are supporting characters who exist solely to get the main children to their final destination. If Tyrion dies, I will be sad but this isn't the Lannister's tale. If Dany is the winner of the GoT, I would understand but for me, there is no point in having all of these other fleshed out characters. From the very first episode, when they discovered the litter of direwolves, this has been a story about the Stark children. Nobody gives a shit about Bran or Rickon and the writers/directors have given us no reason to but they should be there until near the end. Sansa and Arya will end up in 2 very different places in the end but they should be there in the end. Jon Snow and all this bullshit about his origins should be there at the end. If he dies now with no payoff, it is like Luke Skywalker being killed before Darth Vader tells him who his father is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 You seem to think that a lot of people NEED to die. The Many-Faced God disapproves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 LOL Lets see... Stannis - check Joffrey - check Ramsey & Roose Cersei The Freys Those are the main ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 The Many-Faced God disapproves. Who are you? I have to agree about the Stark kids. This has always been about the Starks and Dany. It's called Songs about Fire & Ice. I have no issue if Jon were to die at the end of the series but for it to happen now.. No, I don't think it's interesting to have him NOT reach his full potential. That's fine for a lot of characters and even main characters but this is Jon fucking Snow. The entire story of the north revolves around what he's up to. There's a lot of little things that point to him coming back whether it's the resurrection scenes from season 3 or the possibility of him being dragon blood or the fact that he's the only one who has killed a white walker (and their staredown) or even "I used to worry about Jon Snow, but he always comes back" He has to come back or this doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 The Many-Faced God disapproves. Who are you? "I am no one." You lie!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 We never got the follow up after Littlefinger's conversion with the Queen of Throns who was talking about as the gift? Lancel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yes, it was Lancel. Which made no sense, given that the High Sparrow already had Lancel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Looks like I can officially join the Maesters group as I have began reading the books. If Book 6 drops any time soon I'll have to dive right into that, though. So what exactly happened at the end of Book 5? Why do people say Jon's death was ambiguous? Is that how it was worded? I have to think he's coming back in some form because the rest of the story with the white walkers doesn't really work without him does it? This also gets him out of the fucking nights watch and their bullshit oath. I still think the motherfucker has dragon blood. .The main reason people think he won't stay dead is because of who he is. Which, if you just started on the books, most of the prevailing theory comes from Ned's chapters in Book 1. R + L = J is pretty much a guarantee at this point and the ramifications of that have to play into the end game. Even without Jon's true identity, like you said he is so vital to everything happening in the North. It just wouldn't make sense for him to stay dead, add in the fact that he is probably a targaryen and yeah... No chance. The show has set it up with Mellisandre seeing Thoros revive Beric (she wasn't present for that in the books). The Books set it up a little differently, but the end result will be the same. My bet on the what the show will do? season 6 Ep 1 ends with the Nights Watch trying to burn Jon's body. It won't work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Man, how crazy would it be for John to come out of the Pyre naked with three little dragons crawling around him. The internet would really explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 And rude titties. I'm going to sob when they eventually kill off Big Sam. I naively hope he will make it to the end but his innocence isn't meant for Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sam is a character that I once hated and have grown to love. That rarely happens. I'm just talking about on the show. Doesn't Dany need two other people to ride the damn dragons? Not many people left that could do that... I think they are saving the resurrection for Jon. Sooner or later there's going to be a huge resurrection, I think the payoff is bigger if it's Jon and they leave Cat out. You really only want one resurrection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well, there's a theory about the third Dragon (if Jon is indeed the second), but they didn't introduce the character in the show, so who the fuck knows now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 And rude titties. I'm going to sob when they eventually kill off Big Sam. I naively hope he will make it to the end but his innocence isn't meant for Westeros. There is no character of whom I am more certain of their survival than Sam Tarly. Well, as far as the books anyway. Who knows with the show I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 And rude titties. I'm going to sob when they eventually kill off Big Sam. I naively hope he will make it to the end but his innocence isn't meant for Westeros. There is no character of whom I am more certain of their survival than Sam Tarly. Well, as far as the books anyway. Who knows with the show I guess. I think Baby Sam will survive. Grown up Sam, i can see dying to save Baby Sam and Gilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I still think the White Walkers are going to get a babyface pop when they finally start waxing the whole continent. I sometimes wonder if that was GRRM's intent all along. To present a fantasy world so frustrating we cheer its destruction as its Just Desserts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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