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[OCT 2016] WRESTLING DISCUSSION THREAD


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10 minutes ago, Casey said:

Let's, hypothetically, say that FloSlam announces later today/this week that they'll have stuff from companies like PWG, ROH, CMLL, New Japan, UK indies, etc. available OnDemand and you can stream their weekly/monthly shows live, and all you have to pay is $20 a month.

That... sounds like a hell of a deal.

Yeah, depending on what's on there I think that's a very good price.

I may be in the minority, but I'm willing to pay a lot more money for Indies than I am for WWE. I've already been subscribed to several wrestling networks, incl. PROGRESS, Revolution Pro, ICW, wXw and the Highspots Network. Not all of them at the same time, but constantly switching.

Even if they only had EVOLVE, that would still be a good price. An EVOLVE show usually costs $14.95 and they do around 2 or 3 shows per month. If you get those for $20 per month now, that's already money saved, if you're an EVOLVE fan.

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I admittedly do not know much about the economics behind independent wrestling, but $20 a month for all big shows split between several different groups makes it seem like Keller is being way too optimistic about the revenue this could bring in.  What are the subscription numbers like for NJ World, NWAClassics, and Highspots?

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3 minutes ago, JonnyLaw said:

I admittedly do not know much about the economics behind independent wrestling, but $20 a month for all big shows split between several different groups makes it seem like Keller is being way too optimistic about the revenue this could bring in.  What are the subscription numbers like for NJ World, NWAClassics, and Highspots?

Right, its a very very niche market. And we don't even know which promotions will be on there or how many events, so its too early to get excited. How many people are willing to pay $20 a month for some indy shows? Definitely some, but not enough to make this life changing news.

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I wonder if the NWA would make more money off their OnDemand if they partnered with the WWE when they go to the tiered plan. Offer the NWA library as an adjunct service for say $5/month. the NWA would take home say $2.50 per subscription and wouldn't have to deal with any of the production. I think with that added customer base they'd increase their profits immensely.

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1 hour ago, Casey said:

Completely unrelated to this FloSlam stuff, but James Ellsworth is likely getting a WWE contract apparently. Because his t-shirt has been selling like a motherfucker. If you sort their shirts on the Shop website by Best Sellers, he's currently #3 - behind Rollins and Owens, but ahead of people like Cena, Styles, Goldberg and Reigns.

Anyone watch enough of his stuff yet to speak on how he is as a worker when he's not a jobber?  His current role in the WWE has a limited shelf life (like Colin Delaney and Barry Horowitz), but if he's capable of doing more (like Mikey Whipwreck), he could get a decent little run as a perpetual underdog.

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Isn't the idea presented in Keller's write-up that WWE put out that survey with New Japan, ROH, CMLL, etc. listed was because they knew FloSlam was trying to get these companies to sign on for their streaming service? Or am I just reading into that part and seeing what I want to see? That's what it sounded like to me, and I could definitely see New Japan agreeing to partner with FloSlam over WWE. I'm sure some of these promotions would go with the Network, but I'm not sure all of them would.

It's interesting and fun to think about, at least.

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3 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

Anyone watch enough of his stuff yet to speak on how he is as a worker when he's not a jobber?  His current role in the WWE has a limited shelf life (like Colin Delaney and Barry Horowitz), but if he's capable of doing more (like Mikey Whipwreck), he could get a decent little run as a perpetual underdog.

His super kick last week was the best I've seen since Chris Adams. :)

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The way Keller is writing the story (and since he is fawning over them greatly, he clearly has some sort of connection to FloSlam) is that FloSlam is trying to swoop in and sign deals with the same companies that the WWE is talking too.

I think the WWE put money into them in the hopes of using them for what the survey said but FloSlam is pulling an end around on the WWE and just trying to do it on their own

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The way Keller is writing the story (and since he is fawning over them greatly, he clearly has some sort of connection to FloSlam) is that FloSlam is trying to swoop in and sign deals with the same companies that the WWE is talking too.

I think the WWE put money into them in the hopes of using them for what the survey said but FloSlam is pulling an end around on the WWE and just trying to do it on their own

If that's the case, then Vince is going to do many, many petty and amusing things.

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Well, again, this is totally a Wade Keller agenda thing.

To be all BIG NEWS~! and that it is all THIS COMPANY IS GONNA TRY TO RUN AGAINST THE WWE SORTA BUT HASN'T SIGNED ANY DEALS BUT IT IS THE GREATEST THING FOR THE WORKERS EVER!!! GIVE THEM YOUR $20 A MONTH!!!! is such a bullshit thing to do.

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Do people know that there's a lot of old Georgia Championship Wrestling and Southeast Championship Wrestling from 1981 that only 2% of the people even on this board have watched just sitting there on youtube for free? 

(Dennis Condrey is awesome, by the way. In case anyone hadn't been paying attention).

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52 minutes ago, JonnyLaw said:

I admittedly do not know much about the economics behind independent wrestling, but $20 a month for all big shows split between several different groups makes it seem like Keller is being way too optimistic about the revenue this could bring in.  What are the subscription numbers like for NJ World, NWAClassics, and Highspots?

Not sure what NWAOnDemand and Highspots has hit, but NJ World is still reportedly in 5 figures.  Last hard number I can find on it is 22,000, but that was over a year ago.

 

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According to Meltzer:

  • PWG turned down FloSlam "flat, without even a conversation".
  • WWE has a stake in the company, but they have zeo influence or say-so.
  • WWE isn't happy that the price value for independent wrestling content just "skyrocketed (and that word isn't exaggerated)"
  • If your name is "Adam Cole, the Young Bucks or Kyle O'Reilly" you have no idea what good news this could possibly be.
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When I go to their site and I can't even get info on what promotions will be featured or what matches or events are going to be available, and I see it costs twice what WWE Network costs, it's already a big fat no.  I barely have time to watch Raw and SmackDown these days; I'm not going to go out of my way to pay even more to a newcomer that can't give me basics.

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