AxB Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Craig H said: I sat there watching the episode thinking about how much the white walkers didn't even mean anything. For everyone in this thread who said the white walkers were just a representation of death or how they weren't really that important or whatever...Y'all got it wrong. I don't really care what was in the books and I understand that the books just makes them sound like a fairy tale, but in the TV show, they are the central, overarching threat. Go back and watch those first episodes. You'll see. It makes me feel like the best way to handle the threat of the white walkers would be to make some of the stuff from episode 7 happen much earlier. Basically, when they get past the point where the books end, that's where the story with the white walkers and the Night King should have ended. Of course, you have to find a way to have the Night King take over Viserion, but maybe you just create another macguffin, like the dragon horn or whatever to take down the wall. Make it a season finale type thing where you play it up that the world will never be the same again. The Night's King was invented for the show. The White Walkers are in the books (called Others; White Walkers is their alternate name), and we know that Craster gives his sons to them, but we don't know what they do with them. Everyone thinks they're a fairytale because nobody south of the Wall has seen one for thousands of years. If you don't care about the books, don't get into the magic horn business. The Dragon Horn and the Horn of Winter are (almost certainly) two different things. And the Horn Sam found at the Fist of the First Men (when he found the Dragonglass knife) might or might not be important. The whole 'They just represent Death' is a Dave & Dan deal. GRRM loves an allegory, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Craig H said: Boy, if you really don't want this final season ruined even more, don't watch the very first episode. Half of the episode is about the white walkers. That is the opening mystery. Hell, that's how the first episode starts. It is the first gong of the doomsday bell. Desperately resisting the pedantic urge to get a stop watch and argue, as I know it'll bring me no joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Beech27 said: You could have fixed a lot by switching the conflict order at the end. Dany goes crazy and takes the throne, and the disparate parties have to balance their horror with the knowledge that they need her to defeat the pending apocalypse. The central conflict—that the game of thrones is a game, distracting from the real problem—comes into sharp focus. I mentioned something to my wife when we were discussing the show. NON-WRESTLING FANTASY BOOKING! My idea was that Dany should have taken over King's Landing maybe a season or two ago. While this is happening John has united the north. Varys is getting word from his network of spies(people who watch Littlefinger) that this guy is fucking awesome and everyone loves him. John comes down to King's Landing begging Dany and her dragons to help kill the Night King. Varys and Tyrion urge her to help because this guy could be a powerful ally, setting up the idea that John isn't just some dude he's the fucking King in the North. She comes along and they probably still fall in bone and stuff. They defeat the Night King and she realizes that this guy is fucking awesome and everyone loves him. That would have been the end of last season. Then this whole season is John and Dany tragically being forced against each other through the machinations of the supporting cast. Maybe Cersei is still around having escaped with Euron and the Iron Fleet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Anything is better than this shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, jaedmc said: She comes along and they probably still fall in bone and stuff. Will they still have zero chemistry? No deal! Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Too bad we couldn't get this version of Euron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I still feel the most important stuff out of the first episode is meeting the Starks and meeting the Lannisters. I believe the heart of the show is the politics and those two families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigertooth Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 This is a great article about what kind of show GoT was and what kind it became when it outran the books - a sociological story vs. a psychological story: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/ The appeal of a show that routinely kills major characters signals a different kind of storytelling, where a single charismatic and/or powerful individual, along with his or her internal dynamics, doesn’t carry the whole narrative and explanatory burden. Given the dearth of such narratives in fiction and in TV, this approach clearly resonated with a large fan base that latched on to the show. In sociological storytelling, the characters have personal stories and agency, of course, but those are also greatly shaped by institutions and events around them. The incentives for characters’ behavior come noticeably from these external forces, too, and even strongly influence their inner life. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 She's giving the preceding seasons far too much credit. She's also over-complicating the reason most people found this stuff appealing in the first place. Having read the spoilers, I'm very excited to for tomorrow's bloviating 2500-word-apiece fart sniffing extravaganza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 In case anyone's doubting how Emilia Clarke feels about the final season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: She's giving the preceding seasons far too much credit. She's also over-complicating the reason most people found this stuff appealing in the first place. Having read the spoilers, I'm very excited to for tomorrow's bloviating 2500-word-apiece fart sniffing extravaganza. What the hell are these YouTubers making a living about whining, theorizing and analyzing Game of Thrones going to do when the show is off the air? Go back to Star Wars or find The Witcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: What the hell are these YouTubers making a living about whining, theorizing and analyzing Game of Thrones going to do when the show is off the air? React to one another's videos, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, TheVileOne said: What the hell are these YouTubers making a living about whining, theorizing and analyzing Game of Thrones going to do when the show is off the air? Go back to Star Wars or find The Witcher? There's certainly some evergreen nerd rage out there. I'm sure anyone who needs to make a living off of it will find a way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 And here we are giving it away for free. Maybe we're the saps. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, jaedmc said: And here we are giving it away for free. Maybe we're the saps. I’ve seen the people making money off of it. I’ll take what little is left of my dignity and cling to it, thank you very much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 It's not just the nerd rage, it's all the "Talking Thrones" type of channels and channels making one hour documentaries about passages from the novel that could translate into the TV show, that have never panned out FYI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 5 hours ago, AxB said: React to one another's videos, obviously. What is this? Academia? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I don't watch Game of Thrones but came across this for posters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 16 hours ago, TheVileOne said: What the hell are these YouTubers making a living about whining, theorizing and analyzing Game of Thrones going to do when the show is off the air? Go back to Star Wars or find The Witcher? You'd be surprised how many of those YouTube channels were doing this before the show. Honestly, George R.R. Martin wrote the books but there has been an online network of people breaking down and analyzing the books for a decent amount of time before the show ever existed. Honestly, do you think Benioff and Weiss figured out R+L=J on their own? There are chapter by chapter breakdowns of those books online that scour every minute detail of the text. I'm someone who has read the books multiple times, and would have missed probably half of the stuff if I wasn't an extremely online reader. For instance, Bran studied under Bloodraven, to become the new 3-eyed crow. That character has been mentioned once before Bran met him. He was mentioned by Maester Aemon, as Bloodraven was sent to the wall at the same time he was, and was accompanied there by Ser Duncan the Tall. The rest of what we could know about that character is from the Dunk and Egg novellas. I had context for who that character was and why he was significant, not because I had read those novellas at the time, but because I was listening to podcasts and watching YouTube videos about the books. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I read the novellas. Bloodraven (real name Brynden Rivers; Blackfish Tully (real name Brynden Tully; Blackfish comes from his being the black sheep of the family) is named after him) is a may or may not be Three Eyed Crow in the books. But they only just made it to the cave at the end of Dance, so it's too soon. Some people insist Coldhands is Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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supremebve Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, AxB said: I read the novellas. Bloodraven (real name Brynden Rivers; Blackfish Tully (real name Brynden Tully; Blackfish comes from his being the black sheep of the family) is named after him) is a may or may not be Three Eyed Crow in the books. But they only just made it to the cave at the end of Dance, so it's too soon. Some people insist Coldhands is Bloodraven. The 3-eyed crow/raven specifically tells Meera that his name is Brynden in Dance. That is Bloodraven, Coldhands is still up for debate, but not Bloodraven is generally not part of that debate any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I missed a TON of stuff reading the books, but I did figure out R + L = J all on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Oh, and the Dunc and Egg novellas are really fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 If we're talking about book stuff we didn't get, who was the guy from the Feast For Crows prologue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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