MarcosLoura Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I never got why people were so hype about Jon x Dany, specially in the show with Kit and Emilia having zero chemistry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Throat said: That entire Arya/Sansa rivalry was awful. It was more about fooling the audience than fooling Littlefinger. If Arya and Sansa were faking the rivalry the entire time, were they having these little playlets all around Winterfell every day hoping Littlefinger would listen in on a few of them? They were alone in Arya's room last week. Sure, Littlefinger could have had a cup to his ear on the other side of the door, but they didn't know that, and we sure didn't see it. We're just supposed to assume he was? Or that Bran told them he would be? How much did he tell them about Littlefinger and when did he tell it to them? Sansa was already aware of most of his crimes before Bran showed up. Any one of them would have been grounds for execution. Why wait to kill him now? Why bother with all this subterfuge except to trick us? Does Bran know that we're watching him?!?! If the rivalry was real and they only teamed up against Littlefinger after he tipped his hand with the "let's guess Arya's motives" game, then how the hell could they get past the fact that Arya was legitimately threatening to murder her sister and wear her face last week? It took so little to make her want to kill Sansa. If Arya was stupid enough to believe that Sansa meant what she said in that letter, then it seems like anything could set her off again. It's like she was just looking for any reason to justify killing her. But now they're pals again. Sorry about that cutting your face off thing! Let's reminisce about dad! A bunch of dumb choices made in service of surprising us with a twist. I'm happy with the results, but I wish they had put more thought into how they got to them. I don't know. I think it followed the books. It was just a Littlefinger POV chapter and we didn't realize it until the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Then we don't get the awful scene from episode 6 of Arya creepily threatening Sansa or the argument over the scroll before that. I enjoyed the broad strokes this season but most everything at Winterfell was the drizzling shits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Ultimo Necro said: Does undead Mountain side with the Walkers? Mountain is not a zombie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Oyaji said: Then we don't get the awful scene from episode 6 of Arya creepily threatening Sansa or the argument over the scroll before that. I enjoyed the broad strokes this season but most everything at Winterfell was the drizzling shits. Worse that whole season of storyline for two hugely important characters and a central plot location accomplished nothing but the death a Littlefinger, a character who went from being maybe the most dangerous man in the kingdom to a guy who scares children in the hopes of becoming Secretary of the Inerior of North BumbleDouche. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I love that we got to see the Stark principle reversed. Just as Starks are too damn honest and noble for the South, the manipulative jackass was simply unable to play his games in the North. Plus Arya made it slow and nasty and messy. No clean beheading here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Littlefinger doesn't work when everything becomes about warriors and generals and the long winter. Political chess games work when there is structure. He needed to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turk128 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 18 hours ago, Raziel403 said: So, Cersei is buying the Golden Company to bolster her ranks, thinking that's enough. Little does she know, Theon is heading to the Iron Isles, and is gonna find out real quick that Euron isn't there. Also, she doesn't know Dany has a mercinary company loyal to her sitting in Essos either. Who wants to bet Euron doesn't know the difference and ends up bringing over the Second Sons instead of the Golden Company. They may go this route even thou Euron has proven to be a cunning bastard so a lot of hand waving is going to be required to put one over him (let alone a whole army). So I was really curious about the Golden Company and went down the wiki hole... and there might be a bigger (and more simple) twist to that plot line. The founder of the Golden Company alone maybe the key (let alone it's role in Westeros' past). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Littlefinger doesn't work when everything becomes about warriors and generals and the long winter. Political chess games work when there is structure. He needed to die. It would have been funnier if he died trying to play the white walkers. That I give you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 What was Euron's plan for that dragon pit meeting? No matter what happened, he was going to lie and say he was really scared and was going back to the Iron Islands? He didn't know they were bringing a wight. Cersei just told him to pretend he's abandoning her and he improvised? Without the wight, how would he have explained that? Especially after he started the meeting being an arrogant prick like he always is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Am I the only guy who got confused and thought it was Euron Theon actually killed after no-selling the groin shot? Asking for a friend. Wait, that came out wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, Throat said: What was Euron's plan for that dragon pit meeting? No matter what happened, he was going to lie and say he was really scared and was going back to the Iron Islands? He didn't know they were bringing a wight. Cersei just told him to pretend he's abandoning her and he improvised? Without the wight, how would he have explained that? Especially after he started the meeting being an arrogant prick like he always is. Cersei and Euron were doing a pretty classic good cop/bad cop set up. Even if Euron hadn't gotten a pretext to walk out Cersei could've "kicked him out" for at that heeling it up whenever she was ready to present the illusion of her being "the reasonable one" and to allow them to "convince" her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Throat said: He didn't know they were bringing a wight. Cersie did know what they were bringing. Wasn't that the whole point of Tyrion's rushed meeting with Jamie? They just cut away from that scene early for some reason. They did that a few times with Tyrion scenes this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobbyWhioux said: Cersei and Euron were doing a pretty classic good cop/bad cop set up. Even if Euron hadn't gotten a pretext to walk out Cersei could've "kicked him out" for at that heeling it up whenever she was ready to present the illusion of her being "the reasonable one" and to allow them to "convince" her. If her plan was to fool them all along, how was she going to make it convincing that they convinced her without that wight that she was previously unaware of? She was completely dismissive of them and their talk of undead monsters until that zombie came running at her. Kicking Euron out for being a dick would ring hollow. Everyone expects that of him. The only way I can explain Euron's actions is that Cersei caught him after the meeting and somehow convinced him to stick with the original pre-zombie plan. It's just another example of the viewer having to fill in a lot of gaps themselves this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, Jrag said: Cersie did know what they were bringing. Wasn't that the whole point of Tyrion's rushed meeting with Jamie? They just cut away from that scene early for some reason. They did that a few times with Tyrion scenes this year. She knew that Daenerys and her crew believed in undead monsters, and she thought it was bullshit. I don't think she knew they were bringing a visual aid to their presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Just now, Throat said: She knew that Daenerys and her crew believed in undead monsters, and she thought it was bullshit. I don't think she knew they were bringing a visual aid to their presentation. See I was under the impression that was discussed off screen. Tyrion surely told Jamie they were bringing some demonstration. I don't know why they cut that Jamie scene so short. Man, the Lannisters really got the short end of the stick this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 That's yet another example of shit we had to assume was discussed off screen this season to try to make sense of things. Even if Tyrion did tell Jaime they were inviting a zombie to the party, Cersei would've dismissed that as superstitious nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, Throat said: That's yet another example of shit we had to assume was discussed off screen this season to try to make sense of things. Even if Tyrion did tell Jaime they were inviting a zombie to the party, Cersei would've dismissed that as superstitious nonsense. Actually, Cersie believing in the dead is in line with her character in both the books and the show. She's really the only Lannister who has believed in prophecies throughout the story. Not only does she believe in prophecies, but the prophecies have proved to be true. I don't think she would dismiss anything as superstitious nonsense at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Did Cersei believe the prophecy was true before her kids started dying? Why bother having kids then? Going from believing that to believing sight unseen that a bunch of men made of ice are building an army of zombies to take over the world is quite a leap. Does she also believe in grumkins and snarks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 In the books, yes. There is a key bit to the prophecy which sort of drives her hatred of Tyrion. In show, I can't remember how they handled it word for word. I won't bring up the specifics of the book stuff because it feels like they left a certain part of the prophecy out on purpose. She also essentially already has a zombie of her own, so I imagine she would be more prone to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 It was a pretty enjoyable moment when she said she was going to fight with them and she received a blast of the heroic music behind her. Even if it was all just lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jrag said: In the books, yes. There is a key bit to the prophecy which sort of drives her hatred of Tyrion. In show, I can't remember how they handled it word for word. I won't bring up the specifics of the book stuff because it feels like they left a certain part of the prophecy out on purpose. She also essentially already has a zombie of her own, so I would imagine she would be more prone to believe. But like JT said earlier, the Mountain is only mostly dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Qyburn being way too interested in the zombie hand was a highlight of the episode for me. He just walked over and picked it up in the middle of their super serious demo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jrag said: Qyburn being way too interested in the zombie hand was a highlight of the episode for me. He just walked over and picked it up in the middle of their super serious demo. That amused the hell out of me as well. Qyburn is one of my favorite characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I half expected a comedy bit where the hand started to choke him. But yeah, Jaime: terrified. Cersei: terrified. Qybyrn: "Can I keep it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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