Eivion Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Aren't there only handful of so of those blades left? Its kind of pointless to mention them over something they can possibly equip an army with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It didn't bug me precisely because Valeryian steel is in such low supply. It'd be much easier to seek out dragonglass, something that is a resource you could find, than Valeryian steel, something you know is limited to a few swords. What did bug me was Sam sounding like he explained why Valeryian steel is effective against the White Walkers and the Wights, that being that swords made from Valeryian steel are decorated with dragonglass. I would prefer that swords made from Valeryian steel have a sort of magical property that makes them effective against the undead, not because of how they're decorated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Craig H said: It didn't bug me precisely because Valeryian steel is in such low supply. It'd be much easier to seek out dragonglass, something that is a resource you could find, than Valeryian steel, something you know is limited to a few swords. What did bug me was Sam sounding like he explained why Valeryian steel is effective against the White Walkers and the Wights, that being that swords made from Valeryian steel are decorated with dragonglass. I would prefer that swords made from Valeryian steel have a sort of magical property that makes them effective against the undead, not because of how they're decorated. Except the one Valeryian Steel blade that has been proven effective doesn't have any dragonglass on it. He didn't say it, because there isn't anyone with a Valeryian steel blade, who wouldn't be fighting with their Valeryian steel sword. A Valeryian steel sword is the Westeros equivalent to a machine gun in World War I, if you have one you use it. Dragonglass is kind of like replacing all your muskets with rifles. They need everyone who has a weapon to have at the very minimum a dragon glass weapon, or else they'll be overun by their enemy. If you have to stop to reload after every shot, and your enemy gets to you before you reload you die...but if you can mow down multple enemies without reloading you have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I just thought it would behoove him to say it so that anyone who has Valeryian steel doesn't replace it with a dragon glass weapon which could go to someone who might need it. For instance, if Brienne doesn't know that her sword could take out a WW, she would try to get her hands on dragon glass which she wouldn't need. Jon said that dragon glass was worth more than gold so you want to be as efficient with it as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 GAAME OF THROOOOOOOOOOONES. Best part may have been the beginning because Arya is dominating BUT then.... Sansa gets clowned twice, both times by Jon. When he was like, who am I supposed to take advice from.... you? I DIED. BUT THEN AGAIN. Sansa got her heat back by clowning Little Finger. And it almost made me like her. How far he's fallen... Pod the Bod getting a shot in on Big Gal during was popped this house. Especially after the distraction from Old Spice. Cersei with the big fucking map so the audience can have a visual reference as to what is going on was super helpful. Most of the scene felt like a lot of exposition to catch everyone up. But who the hell is jumping into this series right now. They just binge watched the whole damn thing two weeks ago, they know what's up. I guess Theon's Uncle is going to kill the rest of Large Marge's family and get their food to feed the 10 people fighting for the Lannisters. Liked his "Who's got two hands and an armada.... this guy" act Jon's fluffy friend is cleaning up shit. Sounds about right. Dany coming home was weird because she was so excited, but all I could think of was all the Shadow Ninja Baby splooge that was probably all over that table. Awkward. Not a good episode. But it had some fun bits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Cersei with the big fucking map so the audience can have a visual reference as to what is going on was super helpful. Most of the scene felt like a lot of exposition to catch everyone up. But who the hell is jumping into this series right now. They just binge watched the whole damn thing two weeks ago, they know what's up. The best bit about that was how Cersei was standing on the Neck, and Jaime was standing on the Fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigertooth Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 7/19/2017 at 9:48 AM, supremebve said: I'd imagine most of the Karstarks and Umbers who fought with Ramsey are dead or imprisoned. That battle was bloody as hell, and enemies are generally either killed or held hostage in that world. So which of these options do you think is correct?: 1) They're releasing the imprisoned fighters to fight against the white walkers (which would be an act of mercy quite different from Arya's actions) 2) There are some extra fighters that didn't fight in the Battle of the Bastards for some reason 3) Every fighter worth anything is dead or imprisoned so the white walkers are just going to run over the kids and Jon Snow is essentially doing the same thing as Arya/Freys only slightly less directly Also, if Jon is planning on the Karstarks and Umbers being the front line cannon fodder, that's perfectly good strategy. But why wouldn't he mention that to doubting Sansa? "She clearly said she invited every Frey that matters to that feast, and odds are all of them were involved." If you poison a large supply of wine, you're going to have some collateral damage. She saved the one woman next to her, but you know some other wives or servants or kids or somebody would have snuck some of the wine, too. It's pretty clear that Jon and Arya treated the folks that betrayed their family entirely differently. The contrast was rather... stark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 36 minutes ago, tigertooth said: Also, if Jon is planning on the Karstarks and Umbers being the front line cannon fodder, that's perfectly good strategy. But why wouldn't he mention that to doubting Sansa? Because he didn't want to see that glazed over look in her eyes when you explain to her slightly complex ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 7 hours ago, AxB said: The best bit about that was how Cersei was standing on the Neck, and Jaime was standing on the Fingers. I felt bad for the painter. Still working on it and they're walking all over it already, probably not even completely dry yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 12 hours ago, elizium said: I felt bad for the painter. Still working on it and they're walking all over it already, probably not even completely dry yet. And Cersei is totally the type of person to yell at him/blame him for leaving the smudges her footprints cause, too. Poor dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Okay. Here's some reason. 1. It basically ruined Adam Sandler for everyone that grew up watching him. After this movie everyone wanted him to do more of this. Instead he did Don't Mess With the Zohan. His career hasn't really been the same critically since. 2. It's a really sweet love story. 3. Phillip Seymor Hoffman is an epic badguy and has an all time classic rant over the phone. 4. The music is really good and the cinematography is really gorgeous sometimes. 5. This is the movie where PTA started to move away from Scorsese rip-off stuff and find his voice that's he'd later perfect in There Will Be Blood and The Master, but the movie remains clearly the most accessible of those three. 6. This one is kinda cryptic because you haven't seen the movie, but it's probably the best live action movie about Superman since I guess the first Richard Donner one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Of course I responded in the wrong thread. That's why multiple tabs ruin the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Jon is now a King, and a somewhat experienced ruler/leader who absorbed the lessons Ned taught Robb, Bran, Rickon and Then. Arya is an agent of death and revenge who has no plans and no goals beyond killing everyone on her list and anyone else in her way. The more I think about it, the more I think Sansa ends up on the Iron Throne, a strange combination of Stark nobility, Cersei's dominant quest for power, and Littlefinger's scheming. And Westeros is still fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Sansa ends up on the Throne, and then Arya kills her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm probably just repeating something I've already said in this thread, but I've thought for a long time that, no matter who ends up on the throne, Sansa & Tyrion will be the ones actually running shit. Them staying married as a power couple is the smart move for bringing the south and the north back together, and Sansa is wise enough to see it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm still hoping for a heel victory by the Night King. (Assuming he is a heel of course. YMMV) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm pulling for Baelish, king of the ashes that remain of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Throat said: I'm pulling for Baelish, king of the ashes that remain of Westeros. Hope he does better for Westeros than he did for Baltimore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I still think of GRRM's comments about Lost and seeing similarities between this and Lost. So in that sense, I think the White Walkers and Wights win, but time travel fuckery by way of Bran gives our heroes a second chance. No one sits on the Iron Throne because fuck it. Who needs it. Rule from wherever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 So, a Dusty finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 8 hours ago, EVA said: I'm probably just repeating something I've already said in this thread, but I've thought for a long time that, no matter who ends up on the throne, Sansa & Tyrion will be the ones actually running shit. Them staying married as a power couple is the smart move for bringing the south and the north back together, and Sansa is wise enough to see it now. That actually makes a lot of sense. I think there's a good chance Sansa ends up being smart, sane, basically just, but absolutely ruthless and unsentimental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 At the beginning when Cersei was having her press conference I couldn't help thinking how Trump-like her spin of the situation sounded. And then when Deanerys revealed her strategy it was eerie how much it seemed like she was making some of the same mistakes Hillary Clinton made. Namely, having all her super smart political minds convince her that the victory was so guaranteed that instead of the simple direct overpowering route, she could expand the map and peck around into enemy territory to humiliate them and not worry too much about the main part of the map and then she would win in such a convincing and bloodless way that she would be even stronger as ruler Until the easy part turned out to not be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Also this shit is chaos right now and I get this sense that the show runners are barely hanging on to the kinetic energy of this. I kind of think that there just isn't going to be much time for anymore philosophical reflections on leadership or loyalty or idealism. It's just all going to be trombones and dragons and collisions from here on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The sea battle really really caught me off guard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: The sea battle really really caught me off guard Me: "Thirteen minutes left in the show...awkward lesbian filler? Yeah, someone is about to push up daisies in a sec." Thank you, Euron "3 Minute Warning" Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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