RIPPA Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 In the Main Discussion Thread caley asked Quote Would you consider Prince Puma/Ricochet one of the Top 5 best active American-born workers in the world right now? And I figured that was worthy of enough discussion to warrant its own thread. Plus it will make it easier for me - when y'all ruin it - to ban the lot of you. So I was trying to think of what a possible pool would be (ie: folks with a realistic shot of being named Top 5) I think the pool would be something like... (alpha by first name) AJ Styles Chris Hero Drew Gulak Fred Yehi Jeff Cobb Matt Riddle Ricochet Sami Callihan Samoa Joe I wasn't considering full tag teams - otherwise Briscoes are in it. I also don't think any of the women have a body of work at the moment to declare them Top 5 right now. I am also sure I am forgetting luchadores who probably were born in like Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Rey Mysterio would still be in the mix. I love Jeff Cobb, but I think he is more a fun guy with some cool spots then a great overall wrestler. In the subset of California based quasi shootstyle guys I don't think he is as good as Joe Graves. Puerto Rico is part of the US so lets throw Mil Muertes in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Unpopular opinion I know, but Roderick Strong? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCM Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I would have Scott Dawson ahead of Puma. I haven't seen anything less than a great performance from Dawson this year, and he might be the most underrated guy in wrestling. Puma was definitely the second best guy in the ring against Rey. Was Puma even better than Mundo in LU season 2? The Ricochet stuff I've seen hasn't been my cup of tea. I'd rather watch Bayley and Sasha work a big match, and Bayley has had an outstanding year getting good matches out of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) Even though he's kind of a hate-em or love-em, I think John Cena has to be in that pool. There are corners of the internet that would make a case for Seth Rollins, Dean Amrbrose and Dolph Ziggler, but those would be immensely unpopular choices around these parts. Roman Reigns has to be close to the list, as unpopular a choice as he might be. As much as I love Bray Wyatt, I just don't think the matches are there. Sasha Banks and Charlotte are getting there, but their WWE body of work is a little limited I'd probably go -Cena, John -Muertes, Mil -Reigns, Roman -Ricochet -Styles, AJ Edited August 16, 2016 by caley Phil says Puerto Rico counts! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, caley said: Even though he's kind of a hate-em or love-em, I think John Cena has to be in that pool. John Cena is secretly Canadian. I thought everyone knew that. That's the secret to his amazing recuperative powers. He's actually related to Wolverine. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 AJ and Joe are no-doubters, I think. Mil is a no-doubter if the commonwealth of Puerto Rico counts. After that, Bayley, Mundo, Ricochet, and Hero would be the top contenders for the last spots. Darkhorses are Rollins and Cage. For tag teams, The Briscoes and Revival lead the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 My "hit list" for this discussion Samoa Joe Sasha Banks Mil Muertes AJ Styles Roderick Strong Bayley Drew Gulak That is, at least the list I will actively seek out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 27 minutes ago, cwoy2j said: Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Not really currently active, he's been out of action since March 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Chris Jericho should be considered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 You guys watch way too many more feds, esp. indies, than me so I can't touch it. Just to throw him out there though, nobody's mentioned Omega yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Omega was born in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Go figure, I wrote that and thought "now where WAS he born specifically" EDIT: Dammit I was gonna throw O'Reilly out there because of that KUSHIDA match but he's a Canuck too. *leaves thread* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I also mainly watch WWE, aside from the occasional Lucha Underground or YouTube link during March Madness, so my top five would be pretty limited. That said, I did check to see if Rusev was born in the USA. (He wasn't.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Does Muertes's work outside of LU hold up? As good as he is there, I think it should be noted that those matches are often edited. I don't watch lucha, so I honestly am curious about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Not really. He's had some great brawls over the years but his work as Mil is on a completely different level. Plus, AAA is the worst. I'm thinking Muertes, Styles, Roderick Strong, Samoa Joe, and Chris Hero maybe. I want to put Brian Cage in there but he doesn't have the matches recently to support it. Canada's top 5 is better tho: Omega, KOR, Zayn, Owens, and Elgin. Elgin has been doing some great work in New Japan the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 It's kinda staggering how many top workrate-y guys often brought up are from outside the US: Owens, Zayn, Cesaro, Balor, Jericho (well he was mentioned in here), Omega, Elgin (Though I genuinely dislike most of his work), Ospreay, Sabre Jr, Galloway, most of the luchadors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I clearly need to see more, but after that CWC match I could see putting Brian Kendrick in the discussion 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 You can't have a Top 5 Workers for 2016 without Matt Hardy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 41 minutes ago, caley said: It's kinda staggering how many top workrate-y guys often brought up are from outside the US: Owens, Zayn, Cesaro, Balor, Jericho (well he was mentioned in here), Omega, Elgin (Though I genuinely dislike most of his work), Ospreay, Sabre Jr, Galloway, most of the luchadors. I mentioned Jericho for the US-born guys. He is technically from New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, PetrolCB said: I mentioned Jericho for the US-born guys. He is technically from New York. Is he, though? Jericho, himself, considers himself to be a Canadian. He spent basically his entire childhood up to and including his training in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I only watch Stardom regularly outside of WWE so I'm unfortunately limited, but for me it would probably be: Cena, Bayley, Styles, Reigns, Joe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 26 minutes ago, caley said: Is he, though? Jericho, himself, considers himself to be a Canadian. He spent basically his entire childhood up to and including his training in Canada. Oh, I know. I'm using a loophole, since he was born in NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 4 hours ago, cwoy2j said: Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards Davey Richards I think it'd be best for everyone involved if we just give Davey Richards to Canada in the next racial draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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