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17 hours ago, Marty Sugar said:

So when No Way Jose ends up on TNA in six months, does he come out as U-Turn Umberto? Red Light Rodriguez? Stop Sign Sanchez? 88mph Enrique?

I don't wish TNA upon him, just wondering...

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Okay. So I waited until after Summerslam to get my feelings down.

Aries vs NWJ was okay to me. I used to shit on Aries because I felt he was a poor man's AJ Styles, but after the Nak match, I like him because he is growing on me. The thing about Aries is that he is not the typical indy guy as he is more like Chris Benoit in just sheer physicallity in his matches. Aries hits hard and gets hit hard. He does technical moves or little spots that elicit that this motherfucker is out to systematically destroy you. And when he is beaten up or getting beat up, he either plays up the zombie I don't give a fuck I am still coming for you mode if he is a face or veteran nifty move to a finish. No Way Jose was cool and I feel like he is going to be a great midcarder. Itami finally hitting the GTS was awesome and I look forward to the feud Aries and he have.

Ember Rose...okay, I have never seen Adrienne Reese before and I am sorry if I let down indie people on this board, but goddamn, she is fine. Yo, I literally did a double take when she took off her hood.  I was expecting a good exhibition match from her, not to fucking fall in love. Jesus, she is beautiful. Yeah, her gimmick seemed like it was cobbled together by a Twilight fan who shops at Hot Topic, but I am awestruck so leave me alone. She is really athletic and that surprised me because I never seen a woman do the springboard rebound crossbody like Mysterio does to start his sequence. And her finisher...man that looks vicious. Just found out that it was called the O-Face and...boyyyyyy.

Anyways, Bobby Roode's music is the only reason he is over. He is generic. Like not WWE CAW wrestler generic, but Blandy Blorton Generic. His finisher sucks. Poor Cien because he keeps getting matched up with guys or heels who are super over. Although I was really impressed with his performance, dude needs to work on his character to give fans a reason to like him because he has the ring work aspect down pat. Glad that he got rid of his stupid finisher. Graves comment about Brooklyn gentrification kind of annoyed me...yeah, he is a hipster and of course he would advocate for that kind of thing. Definitely A+ heeling because it did it's job.

Ugh..Another Anarchy strawman character(s)? As someone who loves political theory, I despise the Anarchist strawman characters because Anarchism is always presented as this Hobbesian terrible thing that is pro-state of nature when in actuality, it disagrees with Hobbes(and so did the Locke) about the entire idea that people need authority because people are assholes. Never mind that Hobbes used this argument to justify the need for monarchy. Anarchists, in general, are not pro chaos and pro-returning to the Hobbesian state of nature because they believe that it does not exist or it is irrelevant such authoritative ideas are perpetuating an authoritarian rule and exploitation/ Also, it paints Anarchy is this single entity when it is an umbrella term for several ideologies such as classical libertarian(pretty much Marx's end goal for Communism but instead of waiting years of the Proletariet to destroy the idea of Capitalism to shed the need for government, they want both the bourgesosie and bureacratic classes to be gone immediately), Anarcho syndicalism, Anarcho-socialism(Tyler Durden from Fight Club movie), and Anarcho-primativism(think Tyler Durden from the book). Anarcho Capitalism is just a bunch of pissed off Republicans who want to feel like a special snowflake and do not realize that Anarcho-Capitalism is essentially Lockes' Liberalism. Most Anarchist characters from popular media are agents of chaos which are people who display an injustice or a problem with over institutionized government or society like the first person to get the crazy idea of sitting a black man in the whites only area just to see what happens or the Joker from the Dark Knight or V for Vendetta. They don't represent Anarchy at all. And that is the problem with any character that has this for their gimmick in professional wrestling. WWE is not intelligent enough to do them justice and we already have charcaters that represent this anti-establishment belief in their own way that it attached to their character in Bray Wyatt. And the only legitimate way that these types of characters logically succeed is a WWE type environment is that they destroy the belt or belts and dissolve authority figues like Shane McMahon and Stephanie. And I can't see the WWE doing that because they clearly have no idea what to do with Bray Wyatt who is anarchistic in his initial attitude about how society was in an existential nihilistic way( "women putting make-up on their beautiful faces", there is no good guy to save you when you are alone) has turned into a character that just spouts evil stuff just for the sake of it.

Sure, I am being no fun and I know that the gimmick is used for aesthetic purposes, but it is hard for me to give a damn about a character if I know what they represent is just ignorant strawman propaganda that advocates for a lazy philosophy from the middle perspective. Sure, whoever this is could surprise me but I doubt that they will pull it off.

The Revival vs DIY(hate that name but whatever) was great. Johnny Gargano and Ciampa are really surprising me this month. They were great. But the match was amazing because of the Revival. They are the reason I love NXT styled tag team matches because there is so much shit happening in them. There are consistent stories and the person on the apron is not just waiting to get tagged. All four men are always involved even when they are inactive. The Revivals antics are better than A+ high action matches all together and I am one of the people on this board who loves spot fests. You know wrestlers are being billed as smart, but rarely show their intelligence or clever thinking? The Revivals antics did the opposite. They were never booked as the clever team or given the title because of booking. Their matches did that for them and I love it.

Asuka vs Bayley was great as well. I legitimately cannot see anybody beating Asuka and I love how close she is into turning heel. You can feel the arrogance brewing after every entrance. You can see it in her walk as she literally sways and leans like the swag of 20 rappers after coming back from a gold mine. I love Asuka so much for her sheer physical charisma alone. This match was a good send off for Bayley because she was long over do for being called up. Hopefully she goes to Smackdown because Raw does not need it and I do not care if half the Raw women's roster is broken, injured, or suspended.You have Sasha, Charlotte, and Nia Jax when your healthy. Smackdown has Becky Lynch and inconsistent Alexa Bliss.

Speaking of charism, Nakamura's entrance was amazing. Dude is going to take the main roster by storm when he gets the call up. Nakamura matches are getting formulaic as someone has already said, but I love the high intensity matches he brings because they go beyond just being kicking out of finishers. Nakamura's nihilistic oblivious charism has gotten me hooked that he really does not give a shit and it is all about good fun. Samoa Joe and he told a story that revolved around Joe's temper and it was well told. I really like this match.

Great show all-around. Not better than last year's but it was a great show none-the-less. Not sure who is going to take the strap from Nak, but I suspect Cedric Alexander is going to debut on NXT soon so he will probably be the guy.

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16 minutes ago, Kyuubi said:

Ugh..Another Anarchy strawman character(s)? As someone who loves political theory, I despise the Anarchist strawman characters because Anarchism is always presented as this Hobbesian terrible thing that is pro-state of nature when in actuality, it disagrees with Hobbes(and so did the Locke) about the entire idea that people need authority because people are assholes. Never mind that Hobbes used this argument to justify the need for monarchy. Anarchists, in general, are not pro chaos and pro-returning to the Hobbesian state of nature because they believe that it does not exist or it is irrelevant such authoritative ideas are perpetuating an authoritarian rule and exploitation/ Also, it paints Anarchy is this single entity when it is an umbrella term for several ideologies such as classical libertarian(pretty much Marx's end goal for Communism but instead of waiting years of the Proletariet to destroy the idea of Capitalism to shed the need for government, they want both the bourgesosie and bureacratic classes to be gone immediately), Anarcho syndicalism, Anarcho-socialism(Tyler Durden from Fight Club movie), and Anarcho-primativism(think Tyler Durden from the book). Anarcho Capitalism is just a bunch of pissed off Republicans who want to feel like a special snowflake and do not realize that Anarcho-Capitalism is essentially Lockes' Liberalism. Most Anarchist characters from popular media are agents of chaos which are people who display an injustice or a problem with over institutionized government or society like the first person to get the crazy idea of sitting a black man in the whites only area just to see what happens or the Joker from the Dark Knight or V for Vendetta. They don't represent Anarchy at all. And that is the problem with any character that has this for their gimmick in professional wrestling. WWE is not intelligent enough to do them justice and we already have charcaters that represent this anti-establishment belief in their own way that it attached to their character in Bray Wyatt. And the only legitimate way that these types of characters logically succeed is a WWE type environment is that they destroy the belt or belts and dissolve authority figues like Shane McMahon and Stephanie. And I can't see the WWE doing that because they clearly have no idea what to do with Bray Wyatt who is anarchistic in his initial attitude about how society was in an existential nihilistic way( "women putting make-up on their beautiful faces", there is no good guy to save you when you are alone) has turned into a character that just spouts evil stuff just for the sake of it.

Sure, I am being no fun and I know that the gimmick is used for aesthetic purposes, but it is hard for me to give a damn about a character if I know what they represent is just ignorant strawman propaganda that advocates for a lazy philosophy from the middle perspective. Sure, whoever this is could surprise me but I doubt that they will pull it off.

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Funny as the gif might be, I get what Kyuubi is saying.  I don't trust that they're going to go full anarchy like you mentioned.  Which is baffling to me seeing the video because no way in hell anybody using that gimmick can go even a fraction in that territory.  Bray Wyatt has been towing that line from the start yet it hasn't gone anywhere near that point.  Maybe instead of videos like that just have them come out and act however they do.  Then we can fill in the blanks from there.

As for Takeover I only saw the last two matches along with Roode's match.  I did see the NWJ conga line which I loved.  Roode's entrance was indeed glorious and the crowd way delivered on that.  And holy bats Nakamura's entrance gave me massive goosebumps.  Hoping to see the rest fairly soon, but from what I saw it was fun.  Looking forward to the tag match as I just love Revival so much.

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16 hours ago, Kyuubi said:

The thing about Aries is that he is not the typical indy guy as he is more like Chris Benoit in just sheer physicallity in his matches.

Give me a fucking break. No wrestler, anywhere, tries to wrestle like Benoit in the fucking slightest. Period.

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50 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said:

I honestly wouldn't mind a Dynamite Kid III. 

I'm not too caught up on the indy scene... but the majority that I've seen don't seem to fight like Dynamite. I'd love to get some rec's on that.

That reminds me of that canadian guy whose gimmick was being the next dynamite/benoit. Max Boyer, i think. 

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Dynamite'so ills came more from the back bumps and steroids, I would think. 

I also don't really associate "working like Dynamite" to meaning that a diving headbutt is necessary. It's that extra snap in the offense, the ferociousame execution of the most basic maneuvers that makes me think of a Dynamite clone. 

On a side note - its hard to feel bad for Bryan'so head issues when you see him doing ramming headbutts against Tozawa in ROH for 5 minutes (I think it was Tozawa).  Just completely unnecessary.

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Dynamite's ills were many (alcoholism, a Napoleon complex which resulted in the self-destructive bumps, drug addiction, general mental illness including a streak of sadism a mile wide). But besides all that -- including Bryan being an idiot -- there are few moves more risky and worse looking than a diving headbutt. You could hit a whole guy with your body diving off the top but your *head* is somehow a better weapon to strike with? 

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1 hour ago, Wyld Samurai said:

Dynamite'so ills came more from the back bumps and steroids, I would think. 

I also don't really associate "working like Dynamite" to meaning that a diving headbutt is necessary. It's that extra snap in the offense, the ferociousame execution of the most basic maneuvers that makes me think of a Dynamite clone. 

On a side note - its hard to feel bad for Bryan'so head issues when you see him doing ramming headbutts against Tozawa in ROH for 5 minutes (I think it was Tozawa).  Just completely unnecessary.

It was against Nigel. I'm pretty sure Tozawa never worked ROH.

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On 8/22/2016 at 2:56 PM, Kyuubi said:

Ugh..Another Anarchy strawman character(s)? As someone who loves political theory, I despise the Anarchist strawman characters because Anarchism is always presented as this Hobbesian terrible thing that is pro-state of nature when in actuality, it disagrees with Hobbes(and so did the Locke) about the entire idea that people need authority because people are assholes. Never mind that Hobbes used this argument to justify the need for monarchy. Anarchists, in general, are not pro chaos and pro-returning to the Hobbesian state of nature because they believe that it does not exist or it is irrelevant such authoritative ideas are perpetuating an authoritarian rule and exploitation/ Also, it paints Anarchy is this single entity when it is an umbrella term for several ideologies such as classical libertarian(pretty much Marx's end goal for Communism but instead of waiting years of the Proletariet to destroy the idea of Capitalism to shed the need for government, they want both the bourgesosie and bureacratic classes to be gone immediately), Anarcho syndicalism, Anarcho-socialism(Tyler Durden from Fight Club movie), and Anarcho-primativism(think Tyler Durden from the book). Anarcho Capitalism is just a bunch of pissed off Republicans who want to feel like a special snowflake and do not realize that Anarcho-Capitalism is essentially Lockes' Liberalism. Most Anarchist characters from popular media are agents of chaos which are people who display an injustice or a problem with over institutionized government or society like the first person to get the crazy idea of sitting a black man in the whites only area just to see what happens or the Joker from the Dark Knight or V for Vendetta. They don't represent Anarchy at all. And that is the problem with any character that has this for their gimmick in professional wrestling. WWE is not intelligent enough to do them justice and we already have charcaters that represent this anti-establishment belief in their own way that it attached to their character in Bray Wyatt. And the only legitimate way that these types of characters logically succeed is a WWE type environment is that they destroy the belt or belts and dissolve authority figues like Shane McMahon and Stephanie. And I can't see the WWE doing that because they clearly have no idea what to do with Bray Wyatt who is anarchistic in his initial attitude about how society was in an existential nihilistic way( "women putting make-up on their beautiful faces", there is no good guy to save you when you are alone) has turned into a character that just spouts evil stuff just for the sake of it.

Get a load of college boy ovah here!

You are so wrong. How can you foresee all that from that short clip when it it so clearly an updated, Version 2.0, rebooted, modernized and returning...

I can hope, can't I?,

RAF

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12 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Dynamite's ills were many (alcoholism, a Napoleon complex which resulted in the self-destructive bumps, drug addiction, general mental illness including a streak of sadism a mile wide)

Man, Benoit really WAS Dynamite II to a tee. 

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