Jiji Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Plus tariffs aren't going to bring those jobs back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, Oyaji said: Plus tariffs aren't going to bring those jobs back. Nothing is. The sooner that Rust Belters accept that it's not the 1950's anymore, the better. The days of working for one company all your life and retiring with a pension are over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.T. said: Nothing is. The sooner that Rust Belters accept that it's not the 1950's anymore, the better. The days of working for one company all your life and retiring with a pension are over. What always amazes me the most when someone talks about going back to the golden age of the 1950s, beyond the regressive social implications, and just on economics, is how they then don't realize that in the 50s - Union membership was incredibly strong - Corporate taxes made up 39% of federal tax base as opposed to 10% today - the highest tax bracket was 91% - Government regulatory agencies were beginning their strongest period of funding as opposed to being gutted today They don't want any of that...but somehow think they can get the same economy by doing the opposite of all that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 They also miss that Works War II decimated the infrastructure of much of Europe and Asia, leaving the US virtually untouched, combined with a rising younger population. We'll never have that advantage over the rest of the world again. We were the world's manufacturor, by and large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 In 1957, my grandfather was given a literacy test when he tried to register to vote. He passed. He was a fucking Naval RADAR tech in WW2 so of course he knew how to read. When that failed to disenfranchise him, he was told he needed to pay a poll tax. He paid it since he worked as a supervisor at the Norfolk Navy Shipyards and was making pretty good money for that time. Since he worked at a federal facility, he did not suffer the ignobility having to use a Coloreds Only bathroom, but the shipyards were in a part of town that had restaurants that did not serve black people. Anyway, when the poll tax failed to disenfranchise him, he was told to leave because the literacy test had taken so much time that the courthouse was closing for the day. When he refused, he was charged with criminal trespass and was bitten on the arm by a police dog. Charges were dropped when he threatened to sue and he eventually got an arm tattoo to cover the scars from the bite. So I guess what I am saying is fuck going back to the fifties. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Miller Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 3 hours ago, (BP) said: The Democrats will run a male surrogate for Clinton's agenda in 2020 because they've learned nothing and they'll lose. I would hope the wheels are already spinning on a Democratic Socialist party based on Sanders's following. A seperate party for Democratic Socialists? Yes. But making Bernie or Elizabeth Warren the Democratic Party nominee in 2020 and having them go on-stage at the DNC and tell old white people, who proudly voted for Nixon and Reagan in their youth, that they're going to jack up taxes even higher, grant broad amnesty for illegal aliens, legalize drugs and prostitution, force all Americans to scrap their cars and take the bus and light rail to travel everywhere, cut-off economic/military support for Israel until they grant independence to Palestinians, etc., etc., That's just going to cause Trump to win re-election by a bigger margin next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Don't bring logic into this @piranesi. If it's all June Cleaver and Marion Cunningham baking apple pies that we're missing, that's what it is dammit! Down with Jenny Piccalo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Miller Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: They also miss that Works War II decimated the infrastructure of much of Europe and Asia, leaving the US virtually untouched, combined with a rising younger population. We'll never have that advantage over the rest of the world again. We were the world's manufacturor, by and large. It depends on how much of Western Europe gets decimated by Russian nukes once Putin stages a full-scale invasion of The Ukraine and NATO is forced to openly declare war on Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Jerome Miller said: But making Bernie or Elizabeth Warren the Democratic Party nominee in 2020 and having them go on-stage at the DNC and tell old white people, who proudly voted for Nixon and Reagan in their youth, that they're going to jack up taxes even higher, grant broad amnesty for illegal aliens, legalize drugs and prostitution Three more states legalized weed. When other state governments figure out how much extra revenue they can bring in by taxing weed, the money they can save by decriminalizing possession, and the interstate commerce they will see when people go there to buy it legally, they will shit themselves to get referendums on the ballot. We're seeing the last days of MJ Prohibition. I have no problem with legal weed, but shit like crack, bath salts, x, and flakka need to stay on S1 forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Speaking of Putin, just how badly is he going to punk Trump's ass over the next four years? I wouldn't trust that barrel-chested dude as far as I can throw him, but he didn't get this far in Russia/USSR by being stupid. And he really is THAT dude not to fuck with. He knows where the bodies are buried. He should. He dug the graves for most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, Jerome Miller said: It depends on how much of Western Europe gets decimated by Russian nukes once Putin stages a full-scale invasion of The Ukraine and NATO is forced to openly declare war on Russia. Well, if that happens, the idea of "infrastructure" will probably no longer matter. We cannot afford a mineshaft gap! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Much props to J.T.'s grandfather, one tough and resolute human being. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ryan said: Much props to J.T.'s grandfather, one tough and resolute human being. He passed away six years ago and he is the reason that I have never ever ever failed to vote in any election no matter how small as not to disgrace his memory. That is also why ever since I got a smart phone, I take a selfie with my I Voted sticker and send it to my daughter. Voting matters... a lot.. Teach your kids to be good citizens and not to take their rights or responsibilities for granted. Set a good example. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Just now, J.T. said: He passed away six years ago and he is the reason that I have never ever ever failed to vote in any election no matter how small as not to disgrace his memory. *man hug* Good work, dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 1 minute ago, J.T. said: He passed away six years ago and he is the reason that I have never ever ever failed to vote in any election no matter how small as not to disgrace his memory. Shit, I half expect his ghost to kick my white ass if I skip an election now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 I should have voted in 2000, but was 18, dumb and didn't get away from tech school or work that day like an idiot, but have voted in everything I can since. Except meaningless primaries that are full of local repubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 23 minutes ago, Jerome Miller said: It depends on how much of Western Europe gets decimated by Russian nukes once Putin stages a full-scale invasion of The Ukraine and NATO is forced to openly declare war on Russia. Yeah, so I know the Ukraine wants to be part of the West, but Putin doesn't want NATO tanks on his Western border, so we should just back the fuck away for a decade or two and see how it plays out. In general, trying to bring Eastern European nations into the EU or NATO is going to start a really devastating war right now, so we should pay lip service to the idea of doing that while NOT going ahead and trying to open up Eastern Europe to membership in Western coalitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I know more than a handful of Bernie supporters who I went to school with etc.. that stayed home. It didn't surprise me and they all say to me this morning (my phone has been going off all day) "I just couldn't vote for Clinton!" ..and I'm not sure what to think. They know they should be voting. They don't need me to tell them that. But on the other hand, he was pretty well screwed over by the DNC. I don't know it's insane, I feel like I'm living in an alternative universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 They are wrong, subjectively, that's all there is to it. They should have known what could happen, but were too apathetic. Anyone who voted Stein, Johnson or not at all out of some anti-Hillary protest has no one to blame but themselves for not realizing Trump had a good shot, I didn't trust the polls because I knew the level of hatred he was groundswelling around here let alone in the rust belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 21 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I know more than a handful of Bernie supporters who I went to school with etc.. that stayed home. It didn't surprise me and they all say to me this morning (my phone has been going off all day) "I just couldn't vote for Clinton!" ..and I'm not sure what to think. They know they should be voting. They don't need me to tell them that. But on the other hand, he was pretty well screwed over by the DNC. I don't know it's insane, I feel like I'm living in an alternative universe. If Jill Stein was on the ballot in their state, what kept them from getting off of their asses and voting for her? Trump would've probably still have won, but at least your vote would be a matter of public record and you can be proud of your participation despite the results. Your Bernie supporters can at least take comfort in knowing that Hillary's chicanery and the tomfoolery of the DNC did not get her to the White House. Hopefully the DNC will learn the painful lesson that the nomination should not be treated like a birthright. They will be paying the price of their folly for at least two years when we have the opportunity to hold a referendum on the Trump presidency during the mid-terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.T. said: If Jill Stein was on the ballot in their state, what kept them from getting off of their asses and voting for her? Nothing, that's what frustrates me the most. Yeah, it wouldn't have mattered but at least they could say they participated. And for those living in CT it would have been perfectly fine to do so because there was no way Trump was winning here anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 I think Jill Stein's about as qualified to run a country as a sea slug even though I align most of the Green Party's beliefs, so you'd never see me voting for her even in a state where it didn't matter. The science and medical junk is just too much crank and quackery bs. Just a personal take, she had no clue what she was doing or getting into if she had been a serious contender. Gary Johnson might as well be a stick of wood with (Insert Whatever Policy You Want) on it. And don't think I wasn't a Bernie supporter, I'm very hard to the left on nearly everything social and economic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ryan said: I think Jill Stein's about as qualified to run a country as a sea slug even though I align most of the Green Party's beliefs, so you'd never see me voting for her even in a state where it didn't matter. The science and medical junk is just too much crank and quackery bs. I admire some of her educational policies, but even me being slightly left leaning thinks that her economic and national security policies are fucking bonkers. Even with her crazy policies, that is why we have three branches of government to put a check on the wackier things she'd want to do... or at least that is how Schoolhouse Rock told me its supposed to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 John Oliver did a pretty good job dissecting Stein's shitty understanding on how she was going to pay for tuition (quantitative easing). I don't know how American politics got to the point where people as unqualified as Stein and Johnson can be running alternative parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 The Green Party's crazy obsession with non-scientifically proven natural cures nonsense leads to a lot of fucked up followers and viewpoints. It is not something I can tolerate. Empirical evidence means a lot to me, I'm a very rational and logic driven person to a fault. It just annoys the shit out of me when people spout gibberish that is unproven or completely disproven garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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