hammerva Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 While I understand, some of the people who are the most upset by this are the ones least impacted by all of this. I mean how scared/unsure must you be right now if you are a Muslim living in America, an immigrant with questionable status in your family, gay, or the millions of Americans who actually did sign up for Obamacare. We are all worried because if how it makes us look but lot more people are worried about what will actually happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Good thing we have the Electoral College to prevent a charismatic demagogue from seizing power. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I'm still in shock. I had no idea the hate and resentment ran so deep in America. For the 3rd time in American history, the loser of the election will have received the majority of the popular vote. For the first time since 1928, the Republicans will hold the Presidency, the House, and the Senate (something kind of major happened the next year). My rights as a member of the LGBT+ community are now under direct attack. All of this doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is my nieces, Mia, 6, and Nadia, 4. I want them to grow up in a better world than I have. I want them to never have hate normalized. I want them to grow up knowing I did everything I could to fight for them. And I will fight. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's going to be fun to see all the shit Trump promised on his whirlwind tour of braggadocio just not happen at all. The wall, the Muslim ban, the jail term for Hillary, somehow forcing companies to bring business back to the U.S., all the way down the list. He'll obviously have an excuse for every shortcoming, and the ignorant, scared, angry rednecks who voted him in will eat up his excuses and will never show buyer's remorse, but I'll personally enjoy watching this unqualified loudmouth flounder under the realization that running the country is not the same as running a failing casino or real estate scam. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 No state was won with 100% of the vote. Now, I haven't seen any examples of it here, but I just want people to keep in mind that blaming one state or another does no good, for no state was won absolutely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Donald Trump taking out the Bush/Clinton dynasties in the span of about 16 months is the political equivalent to Chris Jericho beating Stone Cold and The Rock in the same night to become Undisputed Champion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 People also need to remember that we are a Republic, a Representative style government. The Electoral College ensures that all states have a say. If we went to a pure popular vote, New York, Texas, California and Florida would essentially decide this election every time. Ending the electoral college does more damage to the long term health of our country than it offers benefits. I get to the point now where I get annoyed when people say that we are a Democracy, because many don't understand the distinction despite being taught that very early in life in elementary, middle, and high school civics class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Stand up and fight for your country, my friends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Chaos said: People also need to remember that we are a Republic, a Representative style government. The Electoral College ensures that all states have a say. If we went to a pure popular vote, New York, Texas, California and Florida would essentially decide this election every time. Ending the electoral college does more damage to the long term health of our country than it offers benefits. I get to the point now where I get annoyed when people say that we are a Democracy, because many don't understand the distinction despite being taught that very early in life in elementary, middle, and high school civics class. Mitt Romney collected 60.9 million votes and got his ass handed to him. Donald Trump got 59.2 million votes and won going away. Last night was basically the episode of The Simpsons where Bart ran against Martin for class president and nobody voted for Bart because they all assumed he was going to win in a landslide. If you know people that didn't vote, this is probably a good time to ask them exactly why that is. Well, 48 hours ago or so would have been the best time, but this is a good time, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red is Dead Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Eivion said: So is this feeling of anger and depression how our UK members felt earlier this year? Britain: Brexit was the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could undertake. USA: Hold my drink a moment, would you? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, Gonzo said: Mitt Romney collected 60.9 million votes and got his ass handed to him. Donald Trump got 59.2 million votes and won going away. Last night was basically the episode of The Simpsons where Bart ran against Martin for class president and nobody voted for Bart because they all assumed he was going to win in a landslide. If you know people that didn't vote, this is probably a good time to ask them exactly why that is. Well, 48 hours ago or so would have been the best time, but this is a good time, too. It is interesting because people predicted this would be the highest turnout ever (it wasn't), but also third party voting despite noone getting to 5% was at an all time high. In a lot of these toss-up states, the difference between the vote was exactly the third party vote. It's interesting as someone who voted for a third party candidate this election, granted in a deep red state where any vote is essentially a throwaway vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 11 hours ago, piranesi said: I feel like we're all suddenly waking up to the reality that we are the version of ourselves living in one of the bad multiverses. I thought the same thing this morning when I was texting my best friends updates in the night even though he was fast asleep. 9 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said: This country is full of stupid fucking cunts and it stinks. Fucking REAGAN is spinning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken. One of my favourite reactions to THAT election result for the imagery it provides. Kudos. 8 hours ago, Eivion said: So is this feeling of anger and depression how our UK members felt earlier this year? Yep. 5 hours ago, AxB said: Well, the thing is, there's still a chance that Brexit won't actually happen. Whereas you lads are pretty much buggered for the next four years whatever happens... unless he dies or something. 10 minutes ago, Red is Dead said: Britain: Brexit was the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could undertake. USA: Hold my drink a moment, would you? My fellow Brits put it well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I only voted third party because Maryland is a forever blue state. I don't want to blame third party voting, but wonder if people did more vote trading (vote Hillary in swing state in exchange for third party vote in blue/red state) if that would have made any difference. As a Democrat I couldn't bear to vote Hillary, and I know of people who didn't vote for that reason. But when that mentality transfers to swing states (and even traditionally blue states) then that adds up. @Chaos I have an issue with those votes meaning more to a state than the popular vote. If it worked in Obama's favor then I ignorantly turned a blind eye to it which is on me. But waking up seeing that Hillary had more popular votes yet it didn't matter is distressing. I'm not asking to abolish the Electoral College, but there has to be a better way to represent smaller states yet not dick over popular vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 20 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said: I'm not asking to abolish the Electoral College, but there has to be a better way to represent smaller states yet not dick over popular vote. Just get rid of the insane "the winner takes it all" rule and split the electoral vote relative to the popular vote and the result of the popular vote will be much more likely the same as the electoral college without having to get rid of the electoral college. Though as this would open the doors for third party candidates to at least get some electoral vote in the huge states this would threaten the two-party system and will therefore never happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 9 hours ago, Eivion said: So is this feeling of anger and depression how our UK members felt earlier this year? At least "who is Donald Trump?" is not a leading search on Google right now. Though I am not sure if that makes this better or worse... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Miller Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 7 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Hey Ohio, PA, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin... Those jobs aren't coming back! Okay, so what exactly are the Democrats and non-Trump Republicans going to do to HELP those Rust Belt workers? Apparently everyone just thought the Rust Belt didn't vote anymore and Trump saw that they voted more than anyone else and focused on appealing to them. Moving forward, both parties need to focus on bringing new jobs to the dying Midwest and revitalizing communities like Detroit, Akron, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. I can only imagine if Bernie Sanders had won the Democratic nomination, his Millennial-targeted populism would have pissed off Trump supporters even more and caused even more of them to come out and vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ray Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Guys, guys, guys! We can still have a scenario where Lrrr from the Planet Omicron Persei 8 shows up and demands to learn from Trump who won Celebrity Apprentice and be unhappy with Trace Atkins losing.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 America has finally turned heel, and it was perfectly booked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I honestly believe the election came down to the people who wanted Trump, really liked Trump. The people who voted for Hilary never wanted Hilary, they just didn't want Trump. One of those groups is just plain going to be more motivated than the other. Obama was someone a large portion of the population was excited to vote for, Hilary didn't make anybody excited to support her. I honestly do not understand the Trump phenomenon, and I honestly don't want to. It just isn't for me. I just hope we can be civil, but who the fuck knows. It is clear that the country is divided across racial lines, city/rural lines, and class lines. It just sucks that the entire process is based on driving a wedge between those groups and I think everyone is worse off because of it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 There were more than a few women and girls excited for Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Seems to me that Hillary took the mid-west blue collar vote for granted and pretty much played a prevent defense for most of the campaign. If the last two Presidents elected have shown anything is that the "Don't vote for this guy" strategy never works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I'd like to think you don't have to play racial politics to court the blue-collar vote. But it's been awhile since the democrats have nominated a fiery union-first pro-worker tough person instead of a level-headed Ivy-league wonk. Biden might have been able to pull that role off, but Obama never could. Bill Clinton only inasmuch as he could pretend a bit. Hillary wasn't even close. Bottom line is that's who we needed and once Biden decided not to run there wasn't anyone near ready like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I'm a father of two daughters. One of them is gay. If you think for a moment I'm going to just sit back and watch social conservatives pretend it's time to head back to the 1950's, you've got another thing coming. I'm mad, but I'm motivated. Now it's time for the dems to show the GOP how an entire presidential term of "NO" looks like. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 20 minutes ago, Oyaji said: There were more than a few women and girls excited for Clinton. Polls are showing that white women voted more for Trump than Clinton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Oyaji said: There were more than a few women and girls excited for Clinton. Yes there were plenty of women who were excited to vote for Clinton, but a man who has been accused of rape multiple times got 42% of women to vote for him. 53% of women voted for Obama, when Romney was about as feminist as republicans get. 54% of women voted for Clinton, when her opponent was on tape talking about grabbing women by their pussy. Sure there were some people excited to vote for Hilary Clinton, but not nearly excited enough to make a difference. 3 minutes ago, piranesi said: I'd like to think you don't have to play racial politics to court the blue-collar vote. But it's been awhile since the democrats have nominated a fiery union-first pro-worker tough person instead of a level-headed Ivy-league wonk. Biden might have been able to pull that role off, but Obama never could. Bill Clinton only inasmuch as he could pretend a bit. Hillary wasn't even close. Bottom line is that's who we needed and once Biden decided not to run there wasn't anyone near ready like that. Except Obama kind of did. If you look at the battleground states full of the working-class, blue-collar voters, Obama won those states. He got 58% of union votes in 2012, which is significant. The story has been told that Obama won, because all the black people showed up, but that isn't exactly true. Everybody showed up for Obama, Obama got the majority of votes from Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, and white women. White men are the only demographic that he didn't get the majority of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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