Bix Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 This might make me sound stupid, but did Fall Guys expose wrestling as a work or was it starting to become common knowledge by the time it was released and the book just confirmed things? There had been plenty of newspaper stories about wrestling being a work for decades but Fall Guys was the first real insider behind the curtain look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 For those who might be interested, I've put together a Kindle version of Fall Guys, the seminal 1937 expose, that you can now buy at Amazon. Buy it and you support me actually writing something myself. If you can somehow make that available to amazon UK users I will definitely buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 For those who might be interested, I've put together a Kindle version of Fall Guys, the seminal 1937 expose, that you can now buy at Amazon. Buy it and you support me actually writing something myself. If you can somehow make that available to amazon UK users I will definitely buy it. It should be soon. On the Kindle Direct Publishing site it says it's already live on the UK site and other international Amazon sites when it's only live on the U.S. site, so I sent a support inquiry in. Hopefully I'll have an answer shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarbles Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I have a free copy of Gentleman Ed Francis Presents 50th State Big Time Wrestling. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but it's very visual. Lots of great photos from Ed Francis's collection . It's more of a coffee table book in style than say an unabridged history or a biography. Stories about Ripper Collins, Johnny Barend, Curtis Iaukea, Chief Billy White Wolf, Tosh Togo, Neff Maiava, and of course James "Lord Tally Ho" Blears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 If you're cool with sideloading Fall Guys, I put it up on PayHip for anyone in the world to buy. I also get more of the money that way and you get both Mobi (Kindle) and ePub (everything else) eBook files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 This might make me sound stupid, but did Fall Guys expose wrestling as a work or was it starting to become common knowledge by the time it was released and the book just confirmed things? There had been plenty of newspaper stories about wrestling being a work for decades but Fall Guys was the first real insider behind the curtain look. The Frank Gotch/George Hackenschmidt rematch of 1911 was, as far as I've read, the first major public embarrassment in terms of pulling back the curtain. It drew something in the neighborhood of 30,000 fans to Comiskey Park, but the match was said to be terrible and Gotch basically squashed Hack, who had been injured while training for the bout (with many public rumors that Gotch had paid off Hack's training partners to do so). For a modern equivalent, just think of any time Don King stole everyone's money with a minute-long Mike Tyson main event. Wrestling lost a ton of credibility there, and the business dropped sharply and stayed down until the early 1930s, when some new stars came around (and boxing had gone into the toilet around that time, so lots of their fans jumped ship to a different sport). Also, Jack Pfefer had written a series of articles in the NY Daily Mirror around 1933 or so which pretty blatantly exposed the business. He didn't admit it was ALL a work, but Pfefer (who was a colorful and shameless Vince Jr, "it's all just a show" type of promoter) blasted his enemies like then-world-champion Jim Londos and exposed how they used fixed matches to draw big crowds for championship bouts. But the articles didn't cause much uproar, since even way back then the majority of the fans agreed that it was probably faked; the general consensus was that nobody cared if it was fake as long as the fights were entertaining. The mainstream media largely ignored wrestling around that time (despite ever-growing crowds) until Lou Thesz's heyday and wrestling's domination of the earliest television networks more or less forced everyone to pay attention through sheer public popularity. But like Bix said, there are plenty of articles going right back into the mid-19th century that bitched and moaned about wrestling being phony. They used to call throwing a fight "hippodroming", and there's plenty of evidence that legitimate sports writers tended to regard grappling with an eye-rolling "LOLrasslin" attitude going all the way back to Abe Lincoln days, if not even further. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRV Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 um, so how does one actually get a hold of Gary Hart's book? there is some weird shit going on where used copies on Amazon run from $599-4300 not feeling it edit: hey, guess those of us without a copy are pretty much fucked http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/The_Specialists_34/article_79788.shtml#.VKU7wsmEOPU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I've often thought of putting my copy up on eBay, mainly to see what ridiculous prices people would offer... but it just wouldn't sit right with me. That said, I'm mailing my copy (plus the two other books; Jody Hamilton's is still up for grabs for anyone interested) most likely next week on Saturday. Sorry it's taking this long, but the combination of stupid post office hours and long working days and other end-of-the-year chaos has prevented me from doing so earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Cool Strong Dude Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'd take Jody's book if no one else does. I'm sure there's interesting stuff in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 It's a good read. Falls into the trapping of grumpy old vet using hyperbole to describe his accomplishments at times from what I recall, but I certainly enjoyed it and lots of interesting tidbits about tag wrestling back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'm sure Hart would be all for getting the biggest possible payoff for his book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRV Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 how many did they print, two dozen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I bet the author has a stash that he's selling for those inflated prices and that's why he won't reprint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Steve Austin should offer buy the rights to the book and reprint it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Steve Austin should offer buy the rights to the book and reprint it. It'd be filled with ads for Alphabrain and Draftkings.com 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I'm sure Hart would be all for getting the biggest possible payoff for his book. Gary's sons are onboard. It's the coauthor who's refusing to budge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGFanJay Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Hart's book might be listed for a lot - but I'm not sure how many people are biting. I've had my copy up on Amazon for $1,000 with no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I'm sure Hart would be all for getting the biggest possible payoff for his book. Gary's sons are onboard. It's the coauthor who's refusing to budge. What exactly is his motivation? Presumably, with an Austin endorsement, a small print run would instantly sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hart's book might be listed for a lot - but I'm not sure how many people are biting. I've had my copy up on Amazon for $1,000 with no luck. If you're gonna try to get crazy people to buy it, use Ebay. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Can someone on here just make a .pdf file of the fucking thing already? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRV Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 ............. I wasn't gonna say pero like.. I got paypal you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Something tells me that pro wrestling fans aren't usually the type of people to have $1,000 lying around for book purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Something tells me that pro wrestling fans aren't usually the type of people to have $1,000 lying around for book purchases. Too busy buying black t-shirts or filling divas amazon wish lists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Something tells me that pro wrestling fans aren't usually the type of people to have $1,000 lying around for book purchases. Too busy buying black t-shirts or filling divas amazon wish lists. Priorities man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 EDIT: Nevermind, sounded too much like piracy in my opinion but still feel like Gary Hart's book should be put out somewhere if the co-author doesn't want it to be reproduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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