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13 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said:

It made sense as a wear down move. Austin could never reverse it as Bret was too far away. In No DQ / No Count Out matches it's lethal.

Yeah, but hanging off the ring post takes pressure off of the hold to the point that it would be less painful than if the hold was applied in the middle of the ring.  The figure four is essentially crossing the legs over each other and applying pressure to the top leg and bending the bottom against that pressure.  Once you hang off of the ring post, the top leg is falling towards their opponent's feet instead of straight down on the leg.  It looks really cool, but it doesn't make any sense if the goal is to afflict pain on your opponent.

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1 minute ago, supremebve said:

Yeah, but hanging off the ring post takes pressure off of the hold to the point that it would be less painful than if the hold was applied in the middle of the ring.  The figure four is essentially crossing the legs over each other and applying pressure to the top leg and bending the bottom against that pressure.  Once you hang off of the ring post, the top leg is falling towards their opponent's feet instead of straight down on the leg.  It looks really cool, but it doesn't make any sense if the goal is to afflict pain on your opponent.

You can look at it from that perspective..

 Nut you can also apply pressure through yoir own leg strength. From a logical perspective you guarantee the hold cannot he reversed. You sacrifice a little bit in effectiveness, but for a wear down manuveur that eliminates any possibility of retaliation it's brilliant.

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On 5/8/2018 at 8:22 PM, Wyld Samurai said:

You can look at it from that perspective..

 Nut you can also apply pressure through yoir own leg strength. From a logical perspective you guarantee the hold cannot he reversed. You sacrifice a little bit in effectiveness, but for a wear down manuveur that eliminates any possibility of retaliation it's brilliant.

Plus you're also crushing your opponent's nuts against the ring post!

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On 5/7/2018 at 8:59 PM, supremebve said:

I'm going to put all legitimate MMA/Jiu Jitsu submissions as wrestling finishers on the worst list.  The thing that makes wrestling submissions work is the drama of being able to fight the submission.  It doesn't make sense to try to fight a rear naked choke or an arm bar once its locked in.  You can fight an armbar before your opponent puts it on, but if your opponent doesn't tap it doesn't make much sense not to just snap their arm.  If someone has you in a rear naked choke, you have 10 seconds at the most before you pass out...no exceptions.  Why use a rear naked choke, when you can use a cobra clutch?  Why use an armbar instead of a full nelson or another pro wrestling hold?  It just doesn't really make sense to me that instead of using moves made for your sport, you steal moves from another sport that don't really fit.  It would be like a quarterback trying to throw a chest pass like in basketball.  Sure, they are both passes, but they aren't interchangeable.

With you as a wrestling fan and of MMA. I think back to the two TakeOver matches between Ember Moon and Shayna Baszler this year.

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I’d like to see a no DQ match or whatever disables countouts, where someone (not Braun, because that’s too obvious and dumb) smashes off the LED post, to enable a proper posted figure-four death spot. That would’ve been cool for Gargano/Ciampa, on Ciampa’s busted leg. Maybe they’ll do it’ll down the line, who knows. It would’ve been cool at Takeover though. 

Hell, maybe AJ could do it to Nak when they have their next match or something. Can you even hook a Calf Crusher with a post? That’d be something cool and new. 

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