Infinit Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Rumors point to the Survivor Series in Toronto this year, according to a friend who works at the Air Canada Centre. I'm excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 7 hours ago, Wyld Samurai said: He'll still have nothing on Lawler. Cena's reigns mean absolutely nothing to me. As do anyone's from the Attitude era onward. It became a prop after 1998. It's always been a prop. Flair dropped the supposedly sacred belt spur-of-the-moment once or twice to local yokels in foreign countries to avoid riots. He wasn't thinking of the sacrosanct lineage of Gotch and Hackenschmidt when dudes were throwing rocks at him and trying to jump the barricades. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyanide Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Another thing to consider is, even with the Rubicon of "16" looming, there's always that chance (with injuries and internal falling outs and whatnot) that Something Will Happen and Cena will be seen as the best option for a panic reign once more. Hell, getting to 16 might even make that more plausible as it's an easy, ready-made, break glass in case of emergency storyline to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I know I've said this many times but I can't shake the feeling that Summerslam will be Cena v Roman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: I know I've said this many times but I can't shake the feeling that Summerslam will be Cena v Roman As that's the biggest possible match they have in the chamber, including part timers at this point,I'd agree that's happening either at Summerslam or next year at Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Would they run it as Cena (old gaurd) Roman (New Era)? Thous making Cena defecto heel or would it still simply be Face Cena doing heel things that the half the crowd boos at and half the crowed cheers for cause it's Cena? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I think Cena will be the defacto face for most of the audience vs Reigns. Booing Reigns is a thing and it's more pronounced than booing Cena was. Cena was always about 50/50, and he gets huge pops when he comes out which gradually turn to boos. Reigns is usually at best around 35/65 and is met with a chorus of boos immediately. The crowd has a level of respect of Cena that the do not have for Roman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 WWE in recent years has had difficulty understanding the concept of supply and demand. You can't just add a 3rd hour to Raw and expect is to have no effect on ratings. Viewers will begin to feel burnt out and tune out. And the effect on ratings follows to Smackdown. There is way too much supply. Even most of the matches on ppv have been run on free tv in the leadup to the ppv matches. If it wasn't for the network who would be buying these things? The same can be said of the house show business. Every week it seems like they are plugging some house show when I'm watching Raw. All the while they are running their roster into the ground. How much profit are they actually making on a house show that draws 4-7k? If you start playing with a calculator it can't possibly be very much. If they decrease the frequency they hold house shows in some of these markets I don't see how you don't increase attendance simply by lowering the supply. Then you have nxt. Who has a one hour show every week and talents who don't get overexposed largely because of it. When they run a house show in your area you have no idea if/when they will come back. This is a much healthier supply/demand relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said: WWE in recent years has had difficulty understanding the concept of supply and demand. You can't just add a 3rd hour to Raw and expect is to have no effect on ratings. Viewers will begin to feel burnt out and tune out. And the effect on ratings follows to Smackdown. There is way too much supply. Even most of the matches on ppv have been run on free tv in the leadup to the ppv matches. If it wasn't for the network who would be buying these things? Reports are that the USA Network is responsible for the third hour and either gives or gave WWE a considerable amount of money for it - and as far as the USA Network is concerned, the lowest rated hour of RAW is almost certainly more lucrative than whatever shitty USA original programming is the next highest rated non-WWE show. And for all the talk about viewers getting burned out on the repetitiveness, I don't know how many people are actually watching RAW and saying "Fucking Kalisto-Del Rio AGAIN? You know, I don't give a shit anymore, I'm not watching next week." We all complain about it here, but we're still watching. If there wasn't demand for the amount of WWE programming there is, it wouldn't be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 28 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said: WWE in recent years has had difficulty understanding the concept of supply and demand. Someone should show them old clips of the Val Venis/Godfather tag team. The concept was pretty clearly explained. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, MORELOCK said: Reports are that the USA Network is responsible for the third hour and either gives or gave WWE a considerable amount of money for it - and as far as the USA Network is concerned, the lowest rated hour of RAW is almost certainly more lucrative than whatever shitty USA original programming is the next highest rated non-WWE show. And for all the talk about viewers getting burned out on the repetitiveness, I don't know how many people are actually watching RAW and saying "Fucking Kalisto-Del Rio AGAIN? You know, I don't give a shit anymore, I'm not watching next week." We all complain about it here, but we're still watching. If there wasn't demand for the amount of WWE programming there is, it wouldn't be there. When I'm talking about supply and demand I'm talking about the correlation in the amount of hours of programming/number of live events and viewers/last attendance. You're talking about the demands of networks for more WWE programming because even if ratings are declining, it still makes good financial sense. They are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 4 hours ago, CreativeControl said: So anyway, I was wondering what Molly Holly was up to these days. Then Google pointed me to this. I have no idea what's going on http://arrestnoragreenwald.blogspot.co.uk/ That made me feel hella gross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Infinit said: Rumors point to the Survivor Series in Toronto this year, according to a friend who works at the Air Canada Centre. I'm excited. Meltzer said HIAC will be in Boston, Survivor Series in Toronto and TLC in Pittsburgh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Cena will get to seventeen. The belt might be a prop, but it's a prop that the company probably wants a lifelong company man to have the record for, and Flair on the other hand got most of his title reigns in Ted Turner's wrasslin' company. Re: Cena/Reigns, I believe that we are getting close to the point in Cena's career where the crowd decides to just cheer him because he's Cena and has longevity and enough good matches that he transcends a lot of whatever else has happened over the past decade. That last U.S. Championship run is looked fondly at in terms of matches by the Wreddit types on the internet, who now see him as a good wrestler because of it (which is absurd, I know). I feel like crowds are almost ready to accept Cena as a legend who gets cheers for being a legend. As long as they don't give him super-long WWE Championship runs anytime soon, that will probably happen in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I just want Cena to be universally beloved enough to have an awesome, fun Hogan 2002 run in like 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 I guess no one tell Johnny that the 2 RAW replay on SyFy starts tonight... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 51 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said: When I'm talking about supply and demand I'm talking about the correlation in the amount of hours of programming/number of live events and viewers/last attendance. You're talking about the demands of networks for more WWE programming because even if ratings are declining, it still makes good financial sense. They are two different things. Right but you can't say "WWE doesn't understand supply and demand" and then point to the 3 hour Raws as an example when, in that instance, it's being mandated by the network. I mean, yes, they definitely don't understand supply and demand, but that example in particular is incorrect. I'll give you house shows, though. How can they be making their money back when playing to 1/4 full buildings? Clearly demand to see WWE SUPERSTARS LIVE is waning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I guess that's the problem with being in bed with a network. Declining ratings to your flagship programming is not a concern because you can offset it with more programming. Which is all well and good for USA, but when is it a concern for WWE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 4 hours ago, Technico Support said: It's always been a prop. Flair dropped the supposedly sacred belt spur-of-the-moment once or twice to local yokels in foreign countries to avoid riots. He wasn't thinking of the sacrosanct lineage of Gotch and Hackenschmidt when dudes were throwing rocks at him and trying to jump the barricades. Ah, the story of having to drop it to Victor Jovica and match second Piper getting paid with a spittoon of coke... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 5 hours ago, MORELOCK said: And for all the talk about viewers getting burned out on the repetitiveness, I don't know how many people are actually watching RAW and saying "Fucking Kalisto-Del Rio AGAIN? You know, I don't give a shit anymore, I'm not watching next week." We all complain about it here, but we're still watching. I wonder how much DVR has helped in regards to things like this. I don't know anyone that watches Raw live unless they're actually at the show. I wonder how many people would tune in every week if they couldn't reach for the x4 button for every Del Rio match, Sheamus match, McMahon promo, 3rd replay of the opening segment, etc. Not to mention commercials during every match. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Go2Sleep said: I wonder how much DVR has helped in regards to things like this. I don't know anyone that watches Raw live unless they're actually at the show. I wonder how many people would tune in every week if they couldn't reach for the x4 button for every Del Rio match, Sheamus match, McMahon promo, 3rd replay of the opening segment, etc. Not to mention commercials during every match. Judging by the number of people that tweet about Raw and post about Raw here immediately after it finishes, I would bet that a sizable contingent of Raw watchers still watch live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Jenji Kohan - who created Orange is the New Black & Weeds - is working on a new show for Netflix called GLOW. And yes, it's about the Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling. http://www.diva-dirt.com/123432/orange-new-black-creator-working-womens-wrestling-series-netflix/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I would have guessed glow worms and a hundred other things before I guessed that Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling might get a Netflix show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Go2Sleep said: I wonder how much DVR has helped in regards to things like this. I don't know anyone that watches Raw live unless they're actually at the show. I wonder how many people would tune in every week if they couldn't reach for the x4 button for every Del Rio match, Sheamus match, McMahon promo, 3rd replay of the opening segment, etc. Not to mention commercials during every match. I just watch the 90 minute truncated version on Hulu the next day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobholly138 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 The few people I know that still watch Raw all DVR it and watch it Tuesday and end up skipping huge parts of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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