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26 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

IMO, you can't look at what they're doing and not think they could do more.  Simple things could do a lot toward investing in the future and gaining new fans.  If they can develop a rolling ring truck for a few of their guys, how hard can it be to consider putting together a Big Sister-type Bayley doll?  Make a few and see where they go.  If they don't sell, give them to some children's charities with Bayley handing them out in person.  You're a PG company, develop some PG friendly merchandise for the kids. How hard can it be to have a new coloring book with current stars printed and sold in Dollar General stores? And this is just stuff that some of us have put out there during our coffee breaks.  Pull some stars into a brainstorming session and I bet they'd come up with some cool stuff.  New Day got over something that doubles as a sex toy, for crying out loud.  Invest in the roster and make money while doing it.

Which is why I think they will screw up Bayley.  You could drop her into any show on Nick or Disney and you would not miss a beat.  They will miss with the push and miss with the merchandise.  How hard is it to sell Bayley bows?  Bayley dolls.  She is the star they should be pushing to the moon merchandise wise right now not five years after she hits the main roster.

It goes back to leggings.  How hard is it to make leggings?  How many women own at least one pair of leggings?  The women could wear them to the ring on TV like everyone does for their t-shirt.  

 

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Some podcast was talking when Bayley will make it to the main roster and they raised a point that I think has been mentioned here as well--she's 26 years old.  Soon to be 27. She skews young in appearance and demeanor, but that won't be the case forever.   You can't have 35-year-old Bayley bouncing around like that, hugging inflatable wacky arm men.  That can become Baby Jane-ish really quick. The sooner you get her to the main roster, the sooner you can crank up the merchandise machine for her at full blast and enjoy 4-5 years of top-shelf profit.

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8 minutes ago, Michael Sweetser said:

From what I keep hearing, the real money is in those $400+ replica title belts.

Do wrestlers get a piece of the belt money if it's their name plate on it or they're the current champ? 

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12 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

It's bad to know that having an opinion can still be shat on without contributing to the discussion.

All the stuff that's talked about on here, and this is the topic you choose to pick on.

Please, there's having an opinion and then there's saying your ideas for making a billion dollar company more millions is full-proof.  Plus, the person a few pages back that suggested ZZ should be paid $900,000 a year.

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And I get accused of reading too much into things.

No one is saying that the ideas thrown out are full-proof. They could very well be flawed.  If anything, we're shooting the breeze among ourselves, until the No Fun Bus came to DVDVR University, trying to spread the internet version of the clap.  Luckily, Live Sex Celebration condoms provide up to 98% protection against STIs! And if they should fail, a F5 morning-after pill will finish off any potential of an unwanted pregnancy!

Pretty sure the ZZ thing was a joke, too.

(rides off on Kevin Nash's Big Diesel Wheels tricycle)

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16 hours ago, Trocar Slush Weasel said:

How is WWE different from movies or TV shows.  Robert Downey Jr gets paid an assload for Iron Man 2 and Terrance Howard thinks he should get paid more.  They tell him to kick rocks and go get Don Cheadle.  They put a value on Howard that didn't match his.  Same with WWE and Ryback.

For everybody that thinks the WWE should adjust their pay structure, I need some suggestions on figures.  If Cena is 100%, what should other people be paid?

Someone already addressed this, but actors have other options.  Also, as several people have pointed out, a wrestler's value is entirely created by the WWE, who then uses that to negotiate lower contracts.

34 minutes ago, Trocar Slush Weasel said:

Please, there's having an opinion and then there's saying your ideas for making a billion dollar company more millions is full-proof.  Plus, the person a few pages back that suggested ZZ should be paid $900,000 a year.

I'm pretty sure no one is saying their idea is "full-proof." 

 

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28 minutes ago, JonnyLaw said:

I'm pretty sure no one is saying their idea is "full-proof." 

You are right.  I should have said that it's ok to have an opinion as long as you're ok with me having an opinion about your opinion.  I've seen plenty of posts here (and other places, granted) that start out with "WWE is leaving so much money on the table".  Then they list the idea(s) and at the end tack on something like "And if it doesn't work out, they can give all the excess t-shirts to some charity/poor kids in Africa".  I actually agree that everybody should at least have a t-shirt, but let's not kid ourselves that they are missing out on revenue by Fandango or Curtis Axel not having any merchandise. 

Btw, what is the difference between a commemorative title belt and replica title belt, other than twice the price?

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1 hour ago, Trocar Slush Weasel said:

Please, there's having an opinion and then there's saying your ideas for making a billion dollar company more millions is full-proof.  Plus, the person a few pages back that suggested ZZ should be paid $900,000 a year.

Well, you're the one who's making the mistake right there.

The whole point of the Ryback argument was "everyone should have the same base salary" , not merchandise bonuses, not PPV bonuses- just the base salary. Right there, the money dramatically falls from what they're actually making (even before the likely "pro-rated between the year if someone rises and falls, like your Zack Ryder example.)

So, yes- right now John Cena makes about $9.5 million a year- but a lot of that also comes from merchandise, from PPV bonuses/TV bonuses, from outside the ring things. (At the last time salaries were released by WWE, they said Cena makes about $2.5 million as his base salary.

Put that into play, and the level drops a lot.

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32 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

Well, you're the one who's making the mistake right there.

The whole point of the Ryback argument was "everyone should have the same base salary" , not merchandise bonuses, not PPV bonuses- just the base salary. Right there, the money dramatically falls from what they're actually making (even before the likely "pro-rated between the year if someone rises and falls, like your Zack Ryder example.)

So, yes- right now John Cena makes about $9.5 million a year- but a lot of that also comes from merchandise, from PPV bonuses/TV bonuses, from outside the ring things. (At the last time salaries were released by WWE, they said Cena makes about $2.5 million as his base salary.

Put that into play, and the level drops a lot.

So you are suggesting John Cena takes a pay cut.  The fact is, John Cena has a value to the WWE that exceeds merch bonuses, PPV bonuses, etc.  Just because he will get way more than any other wrestler from those bonuses doesn't mean he isn't entitled to make a larger base salary than those other wrestlers simply because he is making more for the WWE than those other wrestlers.  Maybe John Cena is the exception and everybody else is the rule. 

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28 minutes ago, nate said:

I have worn a replica belt - on more than one occasion ...

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I travel in interesting circles.

(Spoiler'd to be tasteful.)

Did you wear a Heros of Wrestling tshirt in a porno by chance? I swear I have seen this.

In terms of marketing, how is the WWE not leaving lots of money on the table considering they only seem to market toys, tshirts, and dvds mainly? Just sounds like they aren't even tapping into all the possibilities. Maybe all the over merchandising in the 90's has lead to this core model.

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3 minutes ago, DTTW said:

Did you wear a Heros of Wrestling tshirt in a porno by chance? I swear I have seen this.

In terms of marketing, how is the WWE not leaving lots of money on the table considering they only seem to market toys, tshirts, and dvds mainly? Just sounds like they aren't even tapping into all the possibilities. Maybe all the over merchandising in the 90's has lead to this core model.

CM Punk isn't Fat Spanish Waiter, he's nate

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9 minutes ago, DTTW said:

Did you wear a Heros of Wrestling tshirt in a porno by chance? I swear I have seen this.

In terms of marketing, how is the WWE not leaving lots of money on the table considering they only seem to market toys, tshirts, and dvds mainly? Just sounds like they aren't even tapping into all the possibilities. Maybe all the over merchandising in the 90's has lead to this core model.

Comfort Marketing and yes I do have a MBA.  

The preference is to stick to what has worked in the past because it has always worked no matter how much the market changed.  They stick with the basics despite all of their social metrics that may tell them otherwise.  The inertia that keeps the needle in place is enormous.  

You see this a lot in family businesses.  They get stuck in a rut and continue in that rut.

You would think they might experiment with new merchandise in NXT because, after all, this is their lab and farm system.  

Take a step back and you see the inertia that grinds the WWE to a halt which is something we complain a lot about here.

 

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I'm sure ZZ's made at least 900 grand in a year before. I mean, that Eliminator album sold a lot of copies back in 1983.

Ok, seriously, does anyone know if there is such a thing as a minimum salary in the WWE? I don't mean a developmental deal with a few matches on NXT, I mean if you're being called up to the RAW or Smackdown roster, what's the baseline you should be expecting?

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