Nice Guy Eddie Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 51 minutes ago, madsplash said: Cena also had the Money In The Bank match with Punk, Extreme Rules against Lesnar, and the series with Owens. I really can't think of any Austin matches I'd put above those or the aforementioned Umaga and Bryan ones. Austin vs. Bret- Survivor Series '96. I think that's better than the WM13 match. Austin/Mero from KOTR '96 is one of Austin's more underrated matches. Cena also had much higher quality opponents than Austin had pre-Bret and pre-injury. Before the Bret matches, Austin was working Savio, no condition to work Jake, and morbidly obese Yoko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Cena has also had a much longer run at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Cristobal said: Austin was better than Cena. Godfather, the New Age Outlaws, and Test were not better than Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn and Cesaro. What does the merch sales say, because the ratings are likely pointing towards a "they probably were." Were those guys better works, nope. But I can rattle off multiple things said by Godfather and NAO. Can't say the same for Owens, Sami, and Cesaro. I like all three better as wrestlers, but unless things change, they're not going to be remembered fondly, if at all, outside of by the wrestling geeks. Damn shame too, because Cesaro and Owens should be carrying the company right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, DTTW said: What does the merch sales say, because the ratings are likely pointing towards a "they probably were." By that logic Walker Texas Ranger was a better show than Breaking Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Rumors are Cena vs Nakamura in Hawaii. WWE is dumb as fuck. If they paired this with say Itami/Brock they'd sell an easy 35,000 tickets at the Tokyo Dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 This is some down-thee-rabbit-hole shite, to compare Austin to Cena. Both are top draws ever and big influences and record setters, to be sure. Both have great charisma, definitely the "it" factor. I could conceive of making an in-ring comparison between the two (in which, in my opinion, Austin dominates) but as complete workers there is a vast gulf separating them. I would be hard pressed to name more then a couple of Cena's angles, feuds or promos that could match Austin's body of work. Austin has worked more styles and shown more versatility, which is more a factor of the times he wrestled in. Cena has had some great "big" matches (his forte') but I would rank Austin's ECW or Hollywood Blondes TV work over the majority of Cena stuff, especially his mic work and RAW/SD matches. Austin's psychology and storytelling are much better. Perhaps it is a generational thing - does the Cena-over-Austin crowd skew younger? shaking my head, RAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Cena/Bryan better than Austin/Bret? I thought I was one of the bigger Bryan backers on the board, but I don't see that. Also: Austin/Steamboat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 This thread has me wishing there could've been an Austin vs. Umaga PPV match. And Cena vs. Steamboat And Cordell Walker vs Walter White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzil Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 16 minutes ago, rzombie1988 said: Rumors are Cena vs Nakamura in Hawaii. WWE is dumb as fuck. If they paired this with say Itami/Brock they'd sell an easy 35,000 tickets at the Tokyo Dome. And guarantee an extra 1/2 * from Meltz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 2 hours ago, bazzil said: And guarantee an extra 1/2 * from Meltz Meltzer's going to be too busy with his thesis about the Okada nude photobook and how it shows he's a manlier star than Shawn Michaels's Playgirl to focus on a WWE Tokyo Dome show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 5 hours ago, madsplash said: Cena also had the Money In The Bank match with Punk, Extreme Rules against Lesnar, and the series with Owens. I really can't think of any Austin matches I'd put above those or the aforementioned Umaga and Bryan ones. The Rock matches at Mania (17 and 19)? The 3 stages of hell with HHH? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Brock vs Owens was announced for that Hawaii show alongside the Cena/Nakamura match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 92 Wargames? Benoit/Jericho vs. 2 Man Power Trip? the Benoit match on Smackdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 8 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Cena also had much higher quality opponents than Austin had pre-Bret and pre-injury. Before the Bret matches, Austin was working Savio, no condition to work Jake, and morbidly obese Yoko. John Cena got great matches and PPV programs out of Khali and Bobby Lashley. I'm not sure quality of opponent is an argument in favor of Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Cristobal said: Cena/Bryan better than Austin/Bret? I thought I was one of the bigger Bryan backers on the board, but I don't see that. Also: Austin/Steamboat I love the Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena match at SummerSlam 2013 but Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin at WrestleMania 13 is better. There's so few if honestly ANY match I'd have above it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Bret vs Austin is damn near a perfect match. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Craig H said: Bret vs Austin is damn near a perfect match. A classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 This phrase came to mind while reading the last 1.5 pages: "Yesterday's 'spot monkey' is today's 'bump monkey.'" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 8 hours ago, sydneybrown said: By that logic Walker Texas Ranger was a better show than Breaking Bad. I really doubt Walker drew better ratings and sold more merch. Any sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I can't believe they are doing Cena/Nakamura and Brock/Owens on that Hawaii show. It BETTER be a Network special 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Don't forget Austin vs HBK at KOTR 97. 100x better than the crippled WM match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I have to rewatch that KOTR match. I just remember that really strange bit where Shawn saved a special needs kid from getting roughed up by security. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm already giddy like a mofo over the idea of Cena/Nak and Lesnar/Owens. I swear at the end of all this cool shit happening we're going to have a scene similar to the end of Dallas where it was all a dream. But until then I'm going to enjoy every bit of this. No way this isn't on the Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzil Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, DTTW said: I really doubt Walker drew better ratings and sold more merch. Any sources? Walker destroys BB in a ratings competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Walker spent 8 years in CBS prime time. Breaking Bad was on AMC. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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