Niners Fan in CT Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Keep Calm, Akira Hokuto On said: I'm suddenly less interested in seeing BP. Matt likes GOTG2 way more than I did. I felt the sequel hit many of the same notes as the first but not as well. It does have an interesting villain. It's about 85% of the first GOTG. Black Panther is just as fun but also deals with some heavier shit and balances it all very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 The one word to describe GOTG 2 for me was overkill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 GOTG2 was the ACE VENTURA: WHEN NATURE CALLS of comic book movies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Maybe I just like Charlie-27? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Craig H said: Could also just be deflection. If you watch the previews for Infinity War, it certainly looks like there's a lot of fighting in Wakanda. Wouldn't surprise me if it was deflection and Thanos is attacking Wakanda to get the last stone. Spoiler Promo art released last week has each Infinity Stone associated with their respective characters, and the Soul Stone had Stark in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Michael B. Jordan is the best villain in a comic movie since... Fuck I don't even know, Ledger? Molina? Take your pick, Jordan is right there. He wasn't exactly justified (an anti-imperialist trying to build an empire) but he was damn sure relatable. His motivation was fully justified, his actions not quite as much. The movie was really good... But Jordan towered over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 And it had the best Bond casino scene in years. I need to read what you guys thought soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Ones that aren't very good 18. The Incredible Hulk 17. Thor 16. Iron Man 2 15. Thor The Dark World -------------- Ones that are mediocre 14. Iron Man 3 13. Ant-Man 12. Dr. Strange -------------- Ones I enjoy but aren't special 11. Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 10. Spider-Man Homecoming 09. Thor Ragnarok --------------- Really Good 08. Iron Man 07. Guardians of the Galaxy ----------------- The ones that I love as movies period 06. Black Panther 05. Captain America Civil War 04. Avengers Age of Ultron 03. Captain America The Winter Soldier 02. Captain America The First Avenger 01. Marvel's The Avengers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: And it had the best Bond casino scene in years. I need to read what you guys thought soon. The casino scene was probably my favorite scene in the movie. It was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said: The casino scene was probably my favorite scene in the movie. It was awesome. It was. So classy and then violent. My favorite scene was probably the sunset though. Jordan was godlike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 18 hours ago, Craig H said: Could also just be deflection. If you watch the previews for Infinity War, it certainly looks like there's a lot of fighting in Wakanda. Wouldn't surprise me if it was deflection and Thanos is attacking Wakanda to get the last stone. I don't it is so much about an Infinity Stone sort of thing as much as it is an I'd Rather Not Have These Mother Fuckers Use Vibranium Tech Against Me sort of thing. Wakanda is now Marvel's Arrakis. It is the most important place in the galaxy thanks to Vibranium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I'm not sure why people are so low on Guardians 2. Yes, it was more of the same to a degree but it was coupled with a lot of solid character arcs (Yondu, Nebula/Gamora, Quill/Ego, Drax/Mantis), one of the best, most complete villains in the MCU (and that's usually the MCU's biggest problem), almost endless imagination, jokes that hit almost throughout, good music, massive amounts of worldbuilding to the point where there's something happening/introduced every moment. At the same time it felt light and effortless. Other than the fact that it didn't have enough Batman and Punisher for some of you, what were the specific flaws? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious C Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I think Guardians 1 is simply an easy movie to like: it's the highly approachable and familiar trope of the Ragtag Bunch Becomes a Family. It was also (relatively) out of left field in terms of quality, so there's a certain aspect of having caught lightning in a bottle there that, if people were expecting it to get reproduced in the second movie, then that's a "them" problem and not a "people who produced Guardians 2" problem. Guardians 2 is, frankly, a more difficult movie to pull off as well as they did. It isn't about a group coming together as a family. It's about them already being a family, and hey, well, families can suck. Sometimes a lot. A Hell of a lot of the time, the people who are supposed to help you get through are the ones who hold you back - or worse. I think if your focus on the film is on how their respective "families" have screwed up - and yet also redeemed - nearly all these characters, you see how it's going to hold up well over time. Maybe better than the first. There are still things that bug the crap out of me about both movies, primarily revolving around the fact that Gamora is not 1% as interesting as she ought to be, but I have to agree with the director, who gave the entire Internet a massive eye-roll when the first things coming out of the gate about 2 were "Oh, it's not as good as the first". I feel sorry for people who live in that world of list-making and binary thinking; so missing the point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craig H Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 53 minutes ago, Matt D said: I'm not sure why people are so low on Guardians 2. Yes, it was more of the same to a degree but it was coupled with a lot of solid character arcs (Yondu, Nebula/Gamora, Quill/Ego, Drax/Mantis), one of the best, most complete villains in the MCU (and that's usually the MCU's biggest problem), almost endless imagination, jokes that hit almost throughout, good music, massive amounts of worldbuilding to the point where there's something happening/introduced every moment. At the same time it felt light and effortless. Other than the fact that it didn't have enough Batman and Punisher for some of you, what were the specific flaws? I'm with you. I love Guardians 2. What sets the sequel apart for me is that the characters get more space to breathe and to grow. Plus, holy shit, THEY FIGHT EGO AND THEY MADE EGO INTO AN ACTUAL PLANET! When Ego was revealed as being in the movie and awesome Kurt Russell was going to play Peter's dad and maybe Ego, we figured that the gang wouldn't actually fight a planet. Then they did and it was so good! You already mentioned stuff with Yondu and Nebula and Gamora, but I'll echo that those stories were great. I know for some that Drax was pretty tiring, but he has some really sweet moments in the movie too. He doesn't have anything as heavy as getting drunk and challenging Ronan and that's fine. You can't do that in every movie. Other than that, maybe Guardians 2 just did shock everyone like the first movie did. Nothing was totally new since Guardians 1 was really our gateway to the cosmic Marvel stuff, but it's still good. As always, cosmic MCU is the best MCU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Matt D said: I'm not sure why people are so low on Guardians 2. Yes, it was more of the same to a degree but it was coupled with a lot of solid character arcs (Yondu, Nebula/Gamora, Quill/Ego, Drax/Mantis), one of the best, most complete villains in the MCU (and that's usually the MCU's biggest problem), almost endless imagination, jokes that hit almost throughout, good music, massive amounts of worldbuilding to the point where there's something happening/introduced every moment. At the same time it felt light and effortless. Other than the fact that it didn't have enough Batman and Punisher for some of you, what were the specific flaws? Too much of the things that made the first one fun. Too much music, too many unfunny, beaten to death gags (typified by the fin gag). Sort of wasted Kurt Russell's performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I thought GOTG2 was barely a movie. They tried way too hard to make it a hangout flick so there's no engine driving the plot, and they had to regress the characters from where they were at the end of the first one just so they could engineer some "growth." Everyone in it is still super charming and there are way worse ways to spend two hours. Plus, the needle drops still get me. The Jay and The Americans and Glen Campbell ones are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Too much of the things that made the first one fun. Too much music, too many unfunny, beaten to death gags (typified by the fin gag). Sort of wasted Kurt Russell's performance. Of this, I'll give you the potential of the second one, but that's about it. They got way more out of Kurt Russell than any Marvel movie before it got out of its villain except for maybe Avengers and Loki. What more would you want out of Kurt Russell in that movie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Ultimately for me, the problem with Ego wasn't Kurt Russell because he was pretty great. The problem was the writing. Ego planning to destroy all life on several planets including Earth was motivation enough for Quill to blow him up. The whole Oh by the way I gave your mom Cancer bullshit was totally stupid.. I personally liked the fact that they broke up the team into smaller slices so that you could see that it was made up of individuals with their own agendas. Some of those agendas are pretty selfish. The fact that these assholes are able to unite under one banner and do something altruistic for the greater good is a testament to Star Lord's leadership and character. Unlike some MCU leadership authorities, (*cough* Tony Stark *cough*) Star Lord is not in charge simply because he's the captain of the Milano and he thinks he should be in command. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 What JT said. Russell - great. Plot- not. As I think I wrote at the time, I may have like the post title sequences better than the actual movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Y'all should really watch that video essay above. That's all I'm saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 ...what the fuck movie are y'all talking about? Who "regressed so they could show growth"? "Star Lord's leadership?" Peter is an arrested adolescent who didn't even start to deal with his mother's death until the end of the first film. It's not until the end of the second that he's got even an inkling of how broken he is and how much growing he needs to do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cristobal said: ...what the fuck movie are y'all talking about? Who "regressed so they could show growth"? "Star Lord's leadership?" Peter is an arrested adolescent who didn't even start to deal with his mother's death until the end of the first film. It's not until the end of the second that he's got even an inkling of how broken he is and how much growing he needs to do. Pretty much this. It's amusing that there is a nearly perfect breakdown of the movie that makes complete and total sense, and yet...yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 22 hours ago, Cristobal said: "Star Lord's leadership?" Peter is an arrested adolescent who didn't even start to deal with his mother's death until the end of the first film. With Ronan on the move, who the fuck had time to grieve and even as an arrested adolescent, he still had the character to help defend Xandar against Ronan's invasion and convinced a bunch of space pirates to help him do it. 22 hours ago, Cristobal said: It's not until the end of the second that he's got even an inkling of how broken he is and how much growing he needs to do Tony Stark has never reached that point, nor is he likely to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, J.T. said: With Ronan on the move, who the fuck had time to grieve and even as an arrested adolescent, he still had the character to help defend Ronan and convinced a bunch of space pirates to help him do it. Tony Stark has never reached that point, nor is he likely to. Stark's a lot closer than Cap is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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