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Who would win a 7 game series on a neutral floor between the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls and the 2015-2016 GS Warriors?  

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  1. 1. Who would win a 7 game series on a neutral floor between the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls and the 2015-2016 GS Warriors?

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On ‎4‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 3:57 PM, supremebve said:

In 1996 the Warriors get smashed in 2016 they run the Bulls out of the gym.  The Bulls may be able to adapt and play at the Warriors pace, but I wouldn't bet on it.  They were perfectly made for a game that no longer exists, but the Warriors are perfectly built for the current game.

What makes you think Jordan and Pippen couldn't adjust to today's game? They both bulked up, and added muscle to adjust to the physical style of play from the teams they had to beat in the East. Jordan playing in a league with no hand checking, no toughness at the basket, and few shot blockers would go absolutely nuts. Pippen would likely do the same.

 

The 95/96 Bulls shot .403 from 3 point land that year while  the Warriors shot .416 this year. The Warriors took 1200 more 3's because that's the style today, and the Bulls took a 1000 more 2pt shots and 200 more FT. Jordan shot .427 which was better than Klay's % this year. I think if you put that Bulls team against today's soft defenses they would shoot a higher 3pt % than GS.

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On 5/18/2016 at 11:58 AM, JCM said:

What makes you think Jordan and Pippen couldn't adjust to today's game? They both bulked up, and added muscle to adjust to the physical style of play from the teams they had to beat in the East. Jordan playing in a league with no hand checking, no toughness at the basket, and few shot blockers would go absolutely nuts. Pippen would likely do the same.

 

The 95/96 Bulls shot .403 from 3 point land that year while  the Warriors shot .416 this year. The Warriors took 1200 more 3's because that's the style today, and the Bulls took a 1000 more 2pt shots and 200 more FT. Jordan shot .427 which was better than Klay's % this year. I think if you put that Bulls team against today's soft defenses they would shoot a higher 3pt % than GS.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Bulls won in 2016, but I wouldn't bet on it.  The Bulls were really good, and Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman are all-time greats, but everyone else on the roster is replacement level.  The Warriors are 8 deep with quality NBA players who all present a challenge that I don't know if the Bulls role players can handle.  It is a fallacy that current NBA defenses are soft.  Team defenses are much more sophisticated, and the removal of the illegal defense gave teams the luxury to customize their defense to their personnel.  The Bulls have three, all-time, all-world defenders, and they can play great man-to-man defense, but the Warriors are built to exploit the weaknesses to straight man-to-man defense.  If they were given a year or two to adjust to the new rules, sure the Bulls could win, but if they just got out of a time machine and ran onto the court I think they'd lose and lose bad.

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It's the illegal defense thing that really sticks out. It wasn't uncommon for that Bulls team to literally have three guys on the court at once that brought little to nothing the offensive end. It didn't matter then, you still had to guard them. Under today's rules, GSW could ignore Rodman and Longley and shade off Harper.

And comparing the three point percentage kinda ignores another major role change: the line was closer in 1996.

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On 5/19/2016 at 4:20 PM, Brian Fowler said:

It's the illegal defense thing that really sticks out. It wasn't uncommon for that Bulls team to literally have three guys on the court at once that brought little to nothing the offensive end. It didn't matter then, you still had to guard them. Under today's rules, GSW could ignore Rodman and Longley and shade off Harper.

And comparing the three point percentage kinda ignores another major role change: the line was closer in 1996.

When you add to the outside shooting factor, it adds to another question mark for this:

The big knocks for each team being "weaker" than normal would be "the rule changes for the Warriors" vs. "1995-96 was an expansion year" for the Bulls (and even that's wary, since Orlando and Seattle were other 60 win teams in 1995-96 with Seattle as second best at 64 wins, and the worst team being 15-67 in 1996 for Vancouver. By contrast, only one other 60-win team happened this year in the Spurs at 67 wins, and Philadelphia was worse at 10-72.) 

However, the expansion year still would add a real wrinkle to this- the Bulls had weak three-point shooting, but at the same time the Bulls lost B.J. Armstrong in the expansion draft (and in the process, lost their three-point specialist.)

If the expansion draft didn't happen, would that presumably lessen the blow more for a 2016 ruleset?

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Death From Above

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I'd take the Bulls, but people pretending because Golden State had a competitive series once that they're nothing special are completely beyond the pale. As if the Bulls never faced resistance in all those years they became a sanctified deity.

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On 5/27/2016 at 9:54 AM, Death From Above said:

I'd take the Bulls, but people pretending because Golden State had a competitive series once that they're nothing special are completely beyond the pale. As if the Bulls never faced resistance in all those years they became a sanctified deity.

Eh, they kinda didn't. The Warriors had more elimination games in this series with the Thunder (3) than the Bulls had in all 6 championship seasons (2, both game sevens).

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On 5/19/2016 at 3:50 PM, supremebve said:

I wouldn't be shocked if the Bulls won in 2016, but I wouldn't bet on it.  The Bulls were really good, and Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman are all-time greats, but everyone else on the roster is replacement level.  The Warriors are 8 deep with quality NBA players who all present a challenge that I don't know if the Bulls role players can handle.  It is a fallacy that current NBA defenses are soft.  Team defenses are much more sophisticated, and the removal of the illegal defense gave teams the luxury to customize their defense to their personnel.  The Bulls have three, all-time, all-world defenders, and they can play great man-to-man defense, but the Warriors are built to exploit the weaknesses to straight man-to-man defense.  If they were given a year or two to adjust to the new rules, sure the Bulls could win, but if they just got out of a time machine and ran onto the court I think they'd lose and lose bad.

Huh?

Kukoc shot .524 from 2 and .403 from 3.

Steve Kerr (that Steve Kerr) shot .498 from 2 and .515 from 3.

Hardly replacement level.

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Kukoc could shoot, was a solid ball handler, a really good passer, could get to the lane against most people who guarded him, and played defense at a sub-Harden level.

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9 hours ago, evilwaldo said:

Huh?

Kukoc shot .524 from 2 and .403 from 3.

Steve Kerr (that Steve Kerr) shot .498 from 2 and .515 from 3.

Hardly replacement level.

Kukoc somehow slipped my mind, but he's clearly not replacement level.  As good of a shooter Kerr was, he's below average everywhere else.  I don't know why Kerr would do this to himself, but what does he do when Kerr puts Livingston on him?  The Warriors have proven over the last two games that it isn't just Curry, Thompson and Green you have to worry about.  All of their role players play with confidence and aren't afraid to step up to the plate if they need to help with the scoring load.  I think the thing that is being discounted about the Warriors is that their entire game offensively and defensively is to take advantage of teams who are used to playing isolation basketball.  

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7 minutes ago, supremebve said:

Kukoc somehow slipped my mind, but he's clearly not replacement level.  As good of a shooter Kerr was, he's below average everywhere else.  I don't know why Kerr would do this to himself, but what does he do when Kerr puts Livingston on him?  The Warriors have proven over the last two games that it isn't just Curry, Thompson and Green you have to worry about.  All of their role players play with confidence and aren't afraid to step up to the plate if they need to help with the scoring load.  I think the thing that is being discounted about the Warriors is that their entire game offensively and defensively is to take advantage of teams who are used to playing isolation basketball.  

I think the Warriors win as well but people are discounting the Bulls roster.

I do think a lot of how the Warriors bench plays is a reflection of how Kerr played coming off the bench.

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1 minute ago, evilwaldo said:

I think the Warriors win as well but people are discounting the Bulls roster.

I do think a lot of how the Warriors bench plays is a reflection of how Kerr played coming off the bench.

Except he probably wouldn't get any minutes if he was the coach.  I don't see Kerr playing anyone who can only shoot 3s.  He wasn't a good defender, he wasn't someone you wanted to handle the ball, he was just a 3-point specialist.  All of the Warrior reserves play good to great defense, can put the ball on the floor, and are totally unafraid to shoot the ball.  Their biggest strength is that you have to guard everyone on the team, because everyone has a green light to shoot.  The difference in the Finals is that Cleveland really only have 3 1/2 players you need to worry about, and 2 1/2 of them are best in isolation, which plays exactly into Golden State's strategy.

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