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Me, personally? I despise "deathmatch" wrestling. I'm not against "hardcore" matches, per se...and like Nikita said: every style has a spot on a card. But the ultraviolent shit makes me nauseous.

 

But I run family-friendly shows. No blood, no light tubes, no staple guns. There's been hardcore brawls but most of the guys love that they don't have to get color.  There's too many kids in my audiences.  And you can still get your point across without the madness. We had a "streetfight" a few months ago where the only weapons used were a chair from the audience and a piece of RAIN GUTTER that the guys found when they brawled out the back door.  The crowd went apeshit for it.

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I've been curious for a while,I used to work in a plasma donation place and we learned your white blood cells replenish after a few days but reds take six weeks, which is why you can only donate full blood every few weeks. these deathmatch guys, especially the bjw roster, seem to lose a lot of blood, almost nightly such as the Ikkoutsen tournament they ran this year.basically does anyone know if these guys have general ailments related to lack of blood and we joke a lot about the hep c stuff but there hasn't actually been any major outbreaks, does that mean the rumors about Ian are just that, rumors, is it harder to contract than thought, how can these guys do this style?also Necro is the man but his star has faded big time and he looks terrible and can't go like he used to at all.

 

 

Forget all that.  The combination of gross, sweaty, moist staph-ridden locker rooms and mats and hundreds of tiny open wounds is enough to make me wince. 

 

But I douse myself in hydrogen peroxide after walking past a Bikram Yoga studio.

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I am most certainly not a worker.

 

But, to me, (and I know I've mentioned this before) pro wrestling works best when shows are a 3-ring circus.  The occasional bloody weapon filled brawl means a hell of a lot more if there isn't one every show (much less 4 on every card) and there is a reason why this match needed to have no rules, because of the story.

 

I've never been big into death matches, not because they nauseate me, but because they are meaningless.

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^^^ What he said.

 

Incidentally, has anyone seen the results from that NEW show last night with Lawler vs. Striker?  I've been looking everywhere.

 

NEW Under the Stars 2 results:

Colt Cabana def. Jake Manning with a top rope splash

 

Rikishi, The Godfather, & Mikey Webb def. J Busta, Mark Shuman, & Gregory Edwards when Rikishi got the pin.

 

Cody Hall & Kevin Nash (w/ Scott Hall) def. The Outcast Killaz (Diablo & Oman Tortuga) after Cody hit the Outsider's Edge.

 

Romeo Roselli def. Joe Ausanio after Ausanio missed a top rope elbow

 

Jerry Lawler def. Matt Striker after the second rope fist drop. They built the match with the story of Striker planning to use the heart punch on Lawler so that he could replace Lawler on WWE TV. After the match, Lawler hit the Piledriver on Striker.

 

Brian Anthony def. Jeff Star after a suplex through a table to retain the NEW Title.

 

John Morrison def. Robbie E with Starship Pain in the main event.

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Mention of Necro Butcher, I actually am more fond of his non-IWA-MS stuff, like his work in PWG. Plus, I was surprised Necro/Joe in ROH in 2006(? ... the CZW feud chapter) didn't seem like a bigger deal than it was.

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WWE.com ranks the top 15 PPVs of all-time. As you would expect.. it's too WWE heavy but at least they have Spring Stampede '94 on there. I would have had it in the top 2 but what can you do.... 

 

Honorable Mentions:- WWF Summerslam (1991)- WWF Wrestlemania X (1994)- WCW Great American Bash (1996)- ECW Barely Legal (1997)- WWF Backlash (2000)- WWF/WCW/ECW Invasion (2001)- WWE Summerslam (2002)- WWE Bad Blood (2004)15.) WWF Survivor Series (1995)14.) ECW Heatwave (1998)13.) WWE Backlash (2009)12.) WCW Bash at the Beach (1996)11.) WWE Extreme Rules (2012)10.) WWF In Your House: Canadian Stampede (1997)09.) WWF No Way Out (2001)08.) ECW One Night Stand (2005)07.) WWE Summerslam (2013)06.) NWA Great American Bash (1989)05.) WWF Wrestlemania III (1987)04.) WCW Spring Stampede (1994)03.) WWF Royal Rumble (2000)02.) WWE Money in the Bank (2011)01.) Wrestlemania X-7 (2001) 

 

My post about it in the Matches That Rule thread:

 

Just read that article and I like nearly all the picks. No Mercy 2001 and No Mercy 2002 not even getting honourable mentions is wrong.

 

Bad Blood 2004Although its rollicking undercard included a fun Intercontinental Title duel between Randy Orton and Shelton Benjamin, Bad Blood 2004 is chiefly remembered for hosting perhaps the best Hell in a Cell Match ever, Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H.

 

Credit: wwe.com

 

Bullshit.

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On the Deathmatch topic: I remember reading that the reason Mr. Gannosuke and Kanemura had such big falling out was because they differed on how and when a deathmatch should be booked. Gannosuke believed that you just can't have a deathmatch right off the bat, it is something you need to build to (which was basically Onita's booking style during the glory days of FMW). Kanemura thought that it was better just have deathmatch after deathmatch.

 

Of course the story could be bullshit but if it isn't... as a fan, I prefer Gannosuke's approach myself. The deathmatch should be the blowoff to a feud the same way a cage match should.

 

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Someone was talking earlier about wrestling discussion being in a funk right now, and that seems true, but can I just say that the last few pages of deathmatch/indy discussion along with the Ian Rotten thread have been great. Reminds me of my early days on this board.

 

I'm pretty tired of constant WWE discussion lately.

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back to necro for a second.  1 has he been wrestling at all lately? , 2. is the choose death dvd any good?  Is it just a shoot interview or is it more of his story?  the summary says its a shoot and a bunch of a matches, but the reviews are still good.  any info?

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He broke his leg last month at the Gathering of the Juggalos.

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Necro's luggage got lost on the way to NYC once, so instead of going and buying or borrowing another wife beater from someone, he worked an ROH show in what he had on: Cargo Pants and a Dennis Kucinich for President 2008 t shirt. This alone would have been enough for him to win March Madness in most years. 

 

Also, if the Choose Death has the shoot I'm thinking of, he talks about getting knocked out in a match against Low Ki and coming to and thinking "I have no idea where I am, but there are a bunch of people staring at me and I'm pretty sure I'm in a fight". 

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Necro's never interested me as a brawler or a worker, though i do recall the Joe/Necro brawls being decent enough (and I really liked the first one).  I don't believe for a second that he'd be booked as often or paid as well without the deathmatch rep.  Part of the attraction in booking him in, say, ROH is the car crash factor - seeing him in a different environment and finding out how he matches up with non-deathmatch workers.  I don't think he gets booked in ROH after the CZW war without that curiosity factor.

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I don't really care about indie wrestling but Necro Butcher rules. A crazed redneck looking guy who skipped a few grades as a kid and is a history buff and and an ardent support of a fringe vegan presidential candidate who does garbage matches IS professional wrestling.I mean, I like Bret Hart or Dean Malenko as much as anyone else. But dudes like Sabu, Foley and Necro are why I love wrestling. LOVE. They make me question the purpose of life. Normal people spend their entire lives trying to avoid getting hurt. But those dudes embrace it. And Foley and Necro are also legitimately smart, well-spoken guys who should absolutely know better but don't. They go to places we'll never, ever go to. Garbage wrestling at its best is less car crash and more existentialist crisis. 

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Necro does have a certain charisma about him, and could probably get way over if presented correctly, but that window of opportunity may have closed years ago now that The Wrestler's not in theaters. He's fairly decent on the mic, isn't he? He'd be one of those guys I'd try to sign if I were running TNA - the audience just might like him, and even if they don't, it's not like you're spending a fortune to figure out that he's not gonna work out.

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Someone was talking earlier about wrestling discussion being in a funk right now, and that seems true, but can I just say that the last few pages of deathmatch/indy discussion along with the Ian Rotten thread have been great. Reminds me of my early days on this board.

 

I'm pretty tired of constant WWE discussion lately.

Feel free to start a non-WWE discussion.  I was surprised by how much discussion I kicked up asking about Ultimo Dragon.

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Someone was talking earlier about wrestling discussion being in a funk right now, and that seems true, but can I just say that the last few pages of deathmatch/indy discussion along with the Ian Rotten thread have been great. Reminds me of my early days on this board.

 

I'm pretty tired of constant WWE discussion lately.

 

Part of the issue is that tastes changed and WWE gives people a lot more of what they want in 2013 than in 1999 or whenever and also that indy wrestling gives a lot less. 

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Necro's luggage got lost on the way to NYC once, so instead of going and buying or borrowing another wife beater from someone, he worked an ROH show in what he had on: Cargo Pants and a Dennis Kucinich for President 2008 t shirt. This alone would have been enough for him to win March Madness in most years.

 

The best part of that was the guy behind me trying to start a "Strength Through Peace" chant.

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Obviously my name comes from a deathmatch worker! I have a morbid curiousity of deathmatch wrestling, I will order Tournament of Death and IWA:MS King of the Death matches periodically even though I know they will be awful for the most part.  KOTDM 1995 has a lot to answer for!!!

 

I always enjoy seeing the "crazy guys that can work" like Necro, Balls Mahoney etc. Rather than the guys that stand and hit each other with lightubes types, IWA guys always seemed the worst for this, Corporal Robinson, Mitch Page etc.

 

Drake Younger is proof that some guys that do that style can work well outside the environment.  His move to the west coast, cutting out the deathmatches and hooking up with PWG is probably the best thing that could have happened to him.

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I don't really care about indie wrestling but Necro Butcher rules. A crazed redneck looking guy who skipped a few grades as a kid and is a history buff and and an ardent support of a fringe vegan presidential candidate who does garbage matches IS professional wrestling.I mean, I like Bret Hart or Dean Malenko as much as anyone else. But dudes like Sabu, Foley and Necro are why I love wrestling. LOVE. They make me question the purpose of life. Normal people spend their entire lives trying to avoid getting hurt. But those dudes embrace it. And Foley and Necro are also legitimately smart, well-spoken guys who should absolutely know better but don't. They go to places we'll never, ever go to. Garbage wrestling at its best is less car crash and more existentialist crisis

 

I don't want to be a "beating a dead horse" kinda guy ... far from it* ... so let me share the first thing that popped in my head, to go in a different direction than I started:

 

As part of my line of work, I *suffer* through some of the most inane medication repping that goes on, the bullshit and tap-dancing they do to creatively as possible say, "We don't give a shit about patient care, just money" not-even-withstanding.

 

So, the other day, I'm just not feeling the shit at all, and this lady ... nice ass, cute in a pixie/fairy sorta way, but probably this product's #1 fan ... is pitching the anti-ADD med du jour, when a crisis happens that, suddenly, EVERYONE there viewing the presentation has to respond to.  Pixie corners me, the last one out, and asks me my opinion of the research into the med, "isn't it awesome?," and, being that her whole talk was a million miles away from where I was mentally, I admitted, "Sorry, my attention was elsewhere."  She laughed, pointed to her awesome Powerpoint dealio, and says, "We make a medication for that."

 

See bolded part of OP.

 

"I hear they make a chairshot for that."

 

Is it the 30th yet? ... I hate myself.

 

* "... Davey Richards ..."

"PBBBT!"

(Before anyone has a chance to bust my chops for all of July.)

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A few questions about the Evolve shows over the weekend (keep in mind my only info comes from the recaps sent in to Meltzer).

 

Is it true the 9/22 show drew "100+" people? I mean, is that something to even brag about/mention?

 

Looking at the results, it's shows like this that make me hate indy wrestling. It just seems like such a wank-fest. 

 

Somewhat related, I can't be the only one who hates all these Dragon Gate inspired goofy names for titles. Open the Freedom Gate? Open the United Gate? I mean, they are absurd when Dragon Gate uses them (Open the Dream Gate, I mean what does that even mean?) but it seems just stupid when Evolve does it.

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I wasn't that impressed with EVOLVE but I haven't seen a show since last year.  The matches were supposed to be the best in the world but they ranged from bad to average.  A lot of the top stars didn't know how to work outside of doing move after move.

 

The indy scene really stinks now since most of the good guys got snatched up for developmental.  Now, we're left with guys like the Young Bucks or Chuck Taylor.

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Time to consolidate. Open the Juggalo Gate!

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A few questions about the Evolve shows over the weekend (keep in mind my only info comes from the recaps sent in to Meltzer).

 

Is it true the 9/22 show drew "100+" people? I mean, is that something to even brag about/mention?

 

Looking at the results, it's shows like this that make me hate indy wrestling. It just seems like such a wank-fest. 

 

Somewhat related, I can't be the only one who hates all these Dragon Gate inspired goofy names for titles. Open the Freedom Gate? Open the United Gate? I mean, they are absurd when Dragon Gate uses them (Open the Dream Gate, I mean what does that even mean?) but it seems just stupid when Evolve does it.

 

To be fair, Evolve is using DG's titles.

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I always thought it was weird that Chiakra Mainstay Ultramantis Black also did deathmatches?

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How can EVOLVE draw such poor crowds? Do they actually advertise their shows in the towns etc?

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