Hooker Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 No good can come of this. I won't continue it, but it's at great person effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 No good can come of this. I won't continue it, but it's at great person effort. Believe me, I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Oh shit yeah, Haku! I'd put Rock behind Fatu and Haku. And I think if Umaga had lived longer, rock would be behind him too. So maybe we should first define what you mean by "best." The Rock is the clear cut most successful. As far as the actual craft is concerned, as in the bell-to-bell, that's kind of subjective. It's totally subjective. When I say best I never ever want an objective answer. What a horribly dry and boring conversation that would be. If I asked who was the most successful wrestler ever(of any race or gender), we'd be bogged down in gate attendances and pay-per-view buyrates and inflation conversions and by the time we finally decide it's Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin or Rock no one cares because they always knew it was one of those three. For this particular question, it would be nice to hear why, but even I myself didn't offer much explanation as to why I didn't rank Rocky very high. Really Fatu/Rikishi is an absolute beast. He had solid to great singles as Rikishi, and had about a million awesome squash matches with The Headshrinkers. His offense looked great, and he did well as a heel and as a face. My only complaint would be his turned out bump off of clotheslines because I never bought anybody hitting him that hard. And his match with Venis in the cage is one of my favorite matches from the era. Like Top 10-15. For me the Rock had a great personality and great energy, but I never felt like he added much in structure to his matches, and my favorite singles from him are against Ken Shamrock, which doesn't say much for his main event run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 http://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-coo-triple-h-addresses-wwe-universe-concerns-over-a-new-regime-superstar-fir-26146347 A 15 minute HHH interview, justifying himself.I love Trollple H. I read that as Trollop H, and thought what an interesting and unexpected character development that would be. Also, Rosey was the shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 If Joe had stayed at the level he was at from about '04-'07, I think he'd be the easy and obvious answer. But he didn't, so he's not. Big 'Kish probably has the best combination of high quality and being good for the longest time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonr4s Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Was never all that impressed with Rock as a worker.He was in the greatest WM main event ever, but I very rarely seek out old Rock matches to watch.When you watch four weeks of Raw/SmackDown and then the PPV, Rock matches are awesome. Needs context to really enjoy it. Fair enough, but you could say that for a lot of guys. I don't remember many matches where Rock elevated a lesser talent or had a great match with a shitty worker. Most of his solid matches (Austin, HHH, Taker, Benoit) was with a better worker than he was. Hell, I would say Mick Foley was the better worker in their series of matches. You could say he was better than Jericho and Shamrock in their feuds, but even that's not indisputable. Bret got a good match out of a pirate, Shawn gave Sid his best match and Eddie made JBL look like a fucking monster. Rocky wasn't that kind of worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Why is having a good match the main decider in choosing who's the best Samoan wrestler? Those other Samoans never sold out arenas across the world, cut some of the best promos in history, guest hosted SNL, or had multiple #1 box office hits. Rock did more for the Samoan community when it came to world wide exposure than any other Samoan wrestler from the past. To me that qualifies him as the #1 all-time Samoan wrestler in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Shamrock and Rock were about even but their expertise were in different areas. I really think they're perfect complement to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 If anything, they were using Shamrock to help elevate Rocky in that feud, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquariumDrinker Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Leslie Knope, ultimate babyface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm gonna go with Yoko, 'cause he was so good at his job, he had an entire generation of kids thinking he was Japanese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm biased but I enjoyed Rock's in-ring stuff from 2000-2001. Admittedly, he did work with some good-to-amazing people in that time. I wouldn't limit my "best wrestler" criteria to just in-ring skills though, so I'm wacky. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biz Smarkie Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 My personal favorite Samoan wrestler has to be Umaga. He came along during the age of the internet cynic, when everybody was crapping all over the gimmick before it even started. WIthin a few weeks he had changed a lot of minds due to his awesomeness. He was also a great reason to watch when things on top were mostly crap(DX). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Joe's American, isn't he? Otherwise I'd take that suggestion seriously. He's from American Samoa. Most Samoan-Americans are, due to the cultural proximity (think Guam or Puerto Rico for similar situations.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I think his point is that he wasn't born and raised in Samoa. But neither were most of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie20x6 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Umaga and Jeff Hardy was the only match combination that could get me to stop fast-forwarding during a period of time when I would skip over 95% of RAW. I never got sick of those two guys wrestling each other all of the time. DA SAMOAN BULL-DOH-SER! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm biased but I enjoyed Rock's in-ring stuff from 2000-2001. Admittedly, he did work with some good-to-amazing people in that time. I wouldn't limit my "best wrestler" criteria to just in-ring skills though, so I'm wacky. I don't think enjoying The Rock's matches in the 2000's is some kind of outrageous opinion now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Oh shit yeah, Haku! I'd put Rock behind Fatu and Haku. And I think if Umaga had lived longer, rock would be behind him too. So maybe we should first define what you mean by "best." The Rock is the clear cut most successful. As far as the actual craft is concerned, as in the bell-to-bell, that's kind of subjective. It's totally subjective. When I say best I never ever want an objective answer. What a horribly dry and boring conversation that would be. If I asked who was the most successful wrestler ever(of any race or gender), we'd be bogged down in gate attendances and pay-per-view buyrates and inflation conversions and by the time we finally decide it's Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin or Rock no one cares because they always knew it was one of those three. "Best" should be defined as whoever ought to win a Samoan Madness tournament run by you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insidecradle Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHAWivjCLsM&feature=youtube_gdata_player anybody know what this was all about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 No good can come of this.I won't continue it, but it's at great person effort.There's always PM's, sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 YOU-MANGA 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Oh man, an Umaga vs. Lesnar match could have blew my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHAWivjCLsM&feature=youtube_gdata_player anybody know what this was all about? I wondered this myself when I saw this match on 24/7 a couple years ago. Fuji and Heneen had a mini little feud that culminated with a match on a non-televised show (I think) at the Nassau Coliseum of all places a few weeks later. I really wish it was something they would have run on television at the time. It would have been fun to watch them yell at each other on Superstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Woodbine Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 So who's the best Samoan/Tongan tag-team then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h12hardcore Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHAWivjCLsM&feature=youtube_gdata_player anybody know what this was all about? Holy shit, like I knew the Barbarian was way bigger in WWF then WCW but goddamn he's like monsterous in there next to Haku, and like 5 years later they'd be basically the same size. But seriously though Faces of Fear were the shit and really should have been tag team champions forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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