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RE: Signs; I went to my first TV taping summer of 2000. Of course my friends and I made as creative signs as possible. We made a worm that we could "wiggle" that we connected multiple poster boards with those gold medal brackets; for Scotty 2 Hotty. We saw it in a wide shot on TV and all marked out. Next time a few of us went back to a TV taping we had upper level seats, but right at the front row of the upper bowl, so we made a big Austin 3:16 banner and hung it over the front of the rail a la "if Cena wins..." sign was hung over the front side of that section. 

 

Security did confiscate a breast implants/Stephanie McMahon I'd made for Y2J vs. Rhyno at SummerSlam. I got a little satisfaction because we used glue/glitter and I knew it hadn't dried fully and he totally got glue glittered in his nice blue security blazer. 

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The two interviews WWE.com has up with Triple H are fantastic. He's really into the "heels do things they believe are right" thing. I think it will be a slow burn to him being a full on tyrant (like Vince was). Probably Daniel Bryan winning the title will be the thing that sends him completely crazy.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6CTvR-33pU

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In the Tanahashi/Okada match from 4/7, Okada kept using his injured arm for offense (elbow strikes and an HBK top rope elbow), then he'd immediately sell pain after completing the moves. I would be OK with foregoing injury logic during adrenaline spots (like for his Rainmaker lariat in the finishing sequence) but it's stupid any time else. 
 
Is there a context I'm missing here or is it just shitty psychology by Okada? 
 
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I try not to ever put over my wrestling career on here, but I had to mention that I legitimately took an airplane spin for the first time in my 10 year career tonight.  It was the most awful experience I've ever had lol.

 

Wait, there's a wrestler out there who still does the airplane spin?  Who did you wrestle, Matt Classic?

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In the Tanahashi/Okada match from 4/7, Okada kept using his injured arm for offense (elbow strikes and an HBK top rope elbow), then he'd immediately sell pain after completing the moves. I would be OK with foregoing injury logic during adrenaline spots (like for his Rainmaker lariat in the finishing sequence) but it's stupid any time else. 
 
Is there a context I'm missing here or is it just shitty psychology by Okada? 

 

 

Wouldn't shitty psychology be doing those moves and not acting like it hurts to do them?  It sounds more like possibly shitty cost-benefit analysis of doing a move that may hurt him as much as it hurts his opponent.

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Posted this originally in the Dave Meltzer thread by accident. Sorry!

 

Any how.

 

In regard to the "mark" talk & all the A.J. Lee on commentary discussion that came up in the RAW thread: I'm really attracted to A.J. Lee, so I feel I'm biased when a discussion about her comes up as I tend to side more with whatever paints her in a better light. I thought the picture of her crying when she got her own WWE T-Shirt was adorable.

 

That being said, tattooing the date of her title win, I think, is a bit excessive. Not just for her but for any wrestler that would do that.

 

I've still yet to watch all of the G1 Climax tournament. It's just not going to happen. I'm starting to fall behind & I know they're about to have some shows in English now, so that's some bad timing. I did check out the Katsuyori Shibata Vs. Tomohiro Ishii match & it was awesome. I just will never have the time to watch all of everyday. So are there any other specific matches from the event that I should seek out?

 

Also, now that Monday Night Football has started, I doubt I'll be seeing much WWE for the rest of the year. Which is OK because I'm not a big fan of the main storyline right now. I know it's the minority opinion but I just don't want to see Daniel Bryan at the top of the card. And I'm not liking the Corporation 2013 either. So it will do me some good to take a break for awhile. I won't post/talk about things that I have not seen on the show though, I promise. :P

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In the Tanahashi/Okada match from 4/7, Okada kept using his injured arm for offense (elbow strikes and an HBK top rope elbow), then he'd immediately sell pain after completing the moves. I would be OK with foregoing injury logic during adrenaline spots (like for his Rainmaker lariat in the finishing sequence) but it's stupid any time else. 
 
Is there a context I'm missing here or is it just shitty psychology by Okada? 

 

 

Wouldn't shitty psychology be doing those moves and not acting like it hurts to do them?  It sounds more like possibly shitty cost-benefit analysis of doing a move that may hurt him as much as it hurts his opponent.

 

To me that's character work. Okada is sooooo dumb, that he'd keep using an arm that hurts him to use, when he has three other limbs available to him. 

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Since we're talking about Okada now, can I just mention how shitty the Rainmaker is?  It's a fucking short clothesline.  If it were a setup for something (a la Jake Roberts) that'd be one thing, but as a finisher I don't like it.

 

And yes, I realize lariats are a much bigger deal in Japan than the US, but still.

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Since we're talking about Okada now, can I just mention how shitty the Rainmaker is?  It's a fucking short clothesline.  If it were a setup for something (a la Jake Roberts) that'd be one thing, but as a finisher I don't like it.

 

And yes, I realize lariats are a much bigger deal in Japan than the US, but still.

And it's shittier that the tombstone piledriver is the setup move. So knock the opponent unconscious on the mat, then immediately make him stand up him up so he can pirouette gracefully into the lariat. 

 

Several WWE guys have that as well, sort of. Like Orton executing the 2nd rope DDT before preparing for RKO, which requires the opponent to first stand-up. 

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On a broader scale, can we talk about how nitpicking psychology is the wrestling equivalent of comic book fans getting hung up on continuity errors?  Many of my favourite matches (of which I would include Tanahashi/Okada) have or could be argued to have psychology / logistical / whatever problems.  Nearly every one of them, for instance, none of the wrestlers ever flinch or try to avoid it when another wrestler tries to punch them in the head.  Totally unrealistic!

 

If you don't like something, fine.  But the language of this sort of nitpicking always has the subtext of I-liked-this-match-a-lot-but-I-have-come-up-with-some-reasons-why-I-shouldn't.  This is wrestling fans not being able to have nice things.

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It's about the context of the story, not whether it's realistic or logical.

 

If two wrestler's decide to tell me a story about one guy trying to break another guy's leg throughout the match and the guy with the nearly broken leg starts doing springboard dropkicks with no ill effects, that takes me out of the story. It doesn't have to be like a real life fight, it just has to have a continuity to what they're trying to tell.

 

I've seen several matches where a guy gets his arm worked on and his finish is a lariat. And that guy tries to use that arm for the lariat and it fails him. And the smarter guys(from a character standpoint) decide to switch arms. It's a cool bit of psychology, that makes a match that much more engaging.

 

It's not about being more realistic, it's more about the creating a story that connects with the audience through context.. You can do that with any style of match. There was a HUSTLE match in which a guy was shooting lasers. Psychology in that match was brilliant.

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I'm not saying the parallels aren't similar. Some people are much more unforgiving with continuity errors than others in both comics and wrestling.

I agree with you that some fans can go overboard. I can't however determine if a person is just complaining because they feel they have to. On that I have no idea whatsoever.

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Right, I'm not accusing you and, sorry if it came off this way, but not really meaning to accuse kigushi, either.  But it happens so much on this board (for instance, to the point where Kurt fucking Angle is a reviled wrestler!) that I wanted to start a dialogue on the issue.

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