mattdangerously Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 If there's a silver lining to the NXT bloodletting it's that it gives us something else to discuss before the intergender talk runs its course (again) and we end up with "5 pages of whether or not Zach Ryder should have had a bigger push part 36". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Looks like Bull is gone from NXT. http://411mania.com/wrestling/bull-dempsey-done-with-nxt/ That's some bullshit. I hope he gets more opportunities than just being nxt's answer to former ROH student Bobby Dempsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Kongo Kong is another guy that should be doing better than he is. From what I saw really good in the ring and can credibly for smaller guys. Not to be Art Donovan but how tall is Kong. Art Donovan would have asked how much dis guy weighs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 "Real combat sports don't have matches between men and women", while technically true, is also bullshit. Leaving aside that no real fight in human history has ever begun "Lockup - Irish Whip - Dropkick", real combat sports also have weight classes. There is no legitimate fighting organization where you'd ever see Kalisto fight Alberto Del Rio, never mind Henry or Show, and yet somehow the "REALISM NOW" crowd isn't chiming in for every big man-little man match. So what's the argument here? That anyone who doesn't think intergender matches make sense shouldn't watch matches between men of different weights? I think his point is, as I am sure you are aware before pulling up your usual strawman, that it is fake and in theory wrestling fans suspend some believe when they watch it because wrestling at its base is ridiculous. Irish whips, shooting star presses, nothing that is real. Action movies have men punch women, no one freaks out over it. If it makes some uncomfortable for whatever reason, I have no issue with that, to each their own. But not understanding the other side of the argument makes one look incapable of thinking other people may see something differently than they do. And thus not worth debating things with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 that it is fake Uh no, uh huh uh huh. Vic, Flex Rumblecrunch (the 3rd Dev Corp. member) is noticeably smaller than the other two. He's still a big guy, but more like "big for Chikara". Like, I would say Dasher Hatfield is clearly larger than him, if that gives you an idea. Thanks, they are one of my favorite indy teams and I think they could do really well on a bigger platform if they toned down the comedy. I like fun in wrestling but not funny, if that makes any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I feel like there really needs to be two separate terms for "intergender wrestling". In my mind (and I know some will disagree) there is an inherent difference between what companies like Chikara and Lucha Underground are presenting and what companies like Beyond Wrestling are presenting. One group is clearly viewing wrestling through a lens that makes the action akin to a real life comic book. The other thinks it will be cool for Chris Dickinson to put his balls in Kimber Lee's face. Lumping it all together seems disingenuous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I always thought, back in the day, Sara or Daisee working most Chikara guys is the size difference was not completely disproportiate. Its not like they usually wrestled Claudio or Hero or Brodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Tamina could probably make a good fight for Luke Harper though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Tamina could probably make a good fight for Luke Harper though. You know I was actually thinking that earlier, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 "Real combat sports don't have matches between men and women", while technically true, is also bullshit. Leaving aside that no real fight in human history has ever begun "Lockup - Irish Whip - Dropkick", real combat sports also have weight classes. There is no legitimate fighting organization where you'd ever see Kalisto fight Alberto Del Rio, never mind Henry or Show, and yet somehow the "REALISM NOW" crowd isn't chiming in for every big man-little man match. So what's the argument here? That anyone who doesn't think intergender matches make sense shouldn't watch matches between men of different weights? I think his point is, as I am sure you are aware before pulling up your usual strawman, that it is fake and in theory wrestling fans suspend some believe when they watch it because wrestling at its base is ridiculous. Irish whips, shooting star presses, nothing that is real. Action movies have men punch women, no one freaks out over it. If it makes some uncomfortable for whatever reason, I have no issue with that, to each their own. But not understanding the other side of the argument makes one look incapable of thinking other people may see something differently than they do. And thus not worth debating things with. My usual strawman. I didn't even make a strawman or an argument. I was asking him to clarify what he meant by his post, because it sounds like he was saying that people who use the real sports analogies wouldn't be watching anything like Kalisto vs an average sized wrestler, so if you have a problem with male vs female because of real sports you shouldn't be watching anything that couldn't happen in a real combat sport. Asking to clarify is now building a strawman. Fuck. Why even have a message board at this point? I didn't say a thing about what Cris said to be not worth debating because he sees something differently than I do. I was genuinely asking what the point he was trying to make was, which general would further discussion instead of having mods come in to shut it down for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Stro mate, when people decide you're a troll, everything you say is assumed to be trolling. Back in the day, FSW couldn't even wish someone Happy Birthday without people assuming he was being sarcastic and wanted them to have a shitty Birthday really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I kind of wish they said that Sexy Star's mask gave her super powers or something. It's not that far off from Black Widow in Avengers. It's all in the presentation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Stro mate, when people decide you're a troll, everything you say is assumed to be trolling. Back in the day, FSW couldn't even wish someone Happy Birthday without people assuming he was being sarcastic and wanted them to have a shitty Birthday really. Thing is, he brought that on himself. Don't like people reacting that way to you? Don't give them reason to. Stro, I tried to tell you months ago how you were coming off, but you knew better (as always) and insisted that if anyone didn't like how you posted, it was their problem, not yours. I've got you on ignore, hence why I didn't respond. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCM Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 That was more Harper's fault than Bryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'm inclined to believe the move at all was Bryan's idea as Harper hadn't done that move before or after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Stro blaming Bryan for something? Say it ain't so!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 You caught me. I hate Bryan so much. Because Bryan (a guy who takes all of his suplexes on his head) definitely didn't do needlessly dangerous spots, especially for a guy coming back from a neck injury, in his brief return in 2015. I guess I just made that up in my head to fuel my anti-Bryan agenda. It would certainly be beyond him to say "Hey do this dangerous suplex that you never do, my neck is fine I swear". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Or maybe it was a mutually agreed spot, and Harper wanted to showcase some stuff he's never done before. But, yes, let's pretend like you don't have an anti-Bryan agenda. I could probably gather 10 posts in the past month where you're negative towards him. The blame falls on both of them anyway, let's not even pretend like Harper didn't have a choice whether to perform that move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 My favorite kind of intergender wrestling is intergender apartment wrestling. Especially Russian amateur intergender apartment wrestling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 My favorite kind of intergender wrestling is intergender apartment wrestling. Especially Russian amateur intergender apartment wrestling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I thought the porn thread was closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Or maybe it was a mutually agreed spot, and Harper wanted to showcase some stuff he's never done before. But, yes, let's pretend like you don't have an anti-Bryan agenda. I could probably gather 10 posts in the past month where you're negative towards him. The blame falls on both of them anyway, let's not even pretend like Harper didn't have a choice whether to perform that move. We already had this discussion where I was accused of hating Bryan for thinking his fans were annoying and he showed staggeringly poor judgment in his brief return (actually even before his first time out, when he kept wrestling with a stinger and couldn't even use one of his arms, putting both him and Orton at risk for injury), even though I've repeatedly said I'm a big fan of his and don't want to see him Kurt Angle himself. I can think he's an idiot for coming back from head/neck/shoulder issues and continuing to do headdrops, diving headbutts, and adding rapid headbutt spots, yet still be a fan of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Or maybe it was a mutually agreed spot, and Harper wanted to showcase some stuff he's never done before. But, yes, let's pretend like you don't have an anti-Bryan agenda. I could probably gather 10 posts in the past month where you're negative towards him. The blame falls on both of them anyway, let's not even pretend like Harper didn't have a choice whether to perform that move. We already had this discussion where I was accused of hating Bryan for thinking his fans were annoying and he showed staggeringly poor judgment in his brief return (actually even before his first time out, when he kept wrestling with a stinger and couldn't even use one of his arms, putting both him and Orton at risk for injury), even though I've repeatedly said I'm a big fan of his and don't want to see him Kurt Angle himself. I can think he's an idiot for coming back from head/neck/shoulder issues and continuing to do headdrops, diving headbutts, and adding rapid headbutt spots, yet still be a fan of his. You apparently can't. Don't worry, I went through the same thing last year. Everyone'll get over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I thought the porn thread was closed? It lingers like a grudge ghost in those goddamn banner ads where I am asked to purchase women from the far east. By the way, I'd like to introduce you all to my new bride, светлана. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'll freely admit that I earned the Debbie Downer/gloom-and-doom rep on here. I try to show more restraint nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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