stro Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't know what the controversy is, but I'm going to assume it was spear headed by Brandon Stroud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 If I look up that name am I going to regret it? Is it you? It's you isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's definitely not me and I take offense to such an accusation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Â An old bit me and a partner did some years ago that I just stumbled on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterien Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I thought Matt and I were the only two that backed NoC 2012 as the best Punk/Cena match. My favorite part, amidst all the counters, all the "Cena is too big and strong and determined for Punk to beat" and "Punk is too smart and too good for Cena to beat" storytelling is Punk countering the Five Knuckle Shuffle two or three times during the setup, and then at one point Cena just drilling him with a fistdrop with no setup or signal. Simple, beautiful pro wrestling. Nah its definitely one of my all time favourites and the spot you mentioned is great. Heyman adds to the match too and he's nowhere near as animated as he becomes for future Punk and Brock matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 So...this whole Intergender wrestling "controversy" is going to be a thing isn't it? Â I googled Intergender Wrestling Controversy, and the top result was a match from March 2015 between Chris Dickinson and Kimber Lee*. So if you're talking about that... no, it's been as big of a thing as it's going to be. If it's not that, if it's something else, then it's not a thing yet, and might not be ever. Â I can see that an indy promotion might be all controversy = business and try to manufacture outrage by having an intergender match devolve into a worked shoot domestic violence situation, that's a fairly standard scummy Wrestling promoter idea that you'd think Ian Rotten would have tried fifteen years ago. But you can't manufacture virality, no matter how much you want to. Â * The youtube video had 136,000 views, which is a lot for an indy promotion, but it's not millions or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Mark Henry is the perfect example of a monster that can be so good, but you just can't run him out there every week for years on end. So great for a six-eight month/one year run and have him disappear for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Stumbled across a couple cool clips of people talking about Cena. Â Â Here is Sami Callihan talking about Cena hanging out at the performance center: Â https://streamable.com/n4t9 Â Del Rio goes so far as to say Cena is the only person he has ever allowed to call spots for him: Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The "intergender controversy" is basically "Dave and Bryan don't like girls wrestling guys on Lucha Underground" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 The "intergender controversy" is basically "Dave and Bryan don't like girls wrestling guys on Lucha Underground" Â Too be fair - there a couple other people who carry on about it too (Bix being a big one) but yeah it really flared up because of LU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I call bullshit on Del Rio never allowing anyone except Cena to call spots for him. He never let Punk or Bryan or Edge call anything? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I saw "intergender controversy" and my first thought was wondering if we were still talking about March Madness #WrestlingMessageBoardBubble 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I have mixed feelings on intergender wrestling. Â When I started watching indie wrestling, MsChif and Daizee Haze were the only two women in GCW so they HAD to fight the guys or they'd just be facing each other all the time. Â Nowadays it really hurts the potential work opportunities for female wrestlers when an area just doesn't have a lot of other women to work with. Â I see people like Stacey O'Brien and Lucy Mendez in my neck of the woods who just don't wrestle that often since there aren't many opponents who they haven't faced ad nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 My daughter - 4 and 5 at the time, now 7 - looked up to a lot of the females wrestling for Chikara (before the fall) because they were able to hold their own against male opponents. She has 8x10 autographs hanging in her room of del Ray, Saturyne, and a few others. (And Ophidian ... loves her some Ophidian.) The message of empowerment is there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 http://csrwrestling.com/korderas-reality-check-on-daniel-bryan/ Â Putting it out there before someone else does. Â If it's dangerous for him to return to the ring, then he shouldn't. Â Whether he himself believes that is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 http://csrwrestling.com/korderas-reality-check-on-daniel-bryan/  Putting it out there before someone else does.  If it's dangerous for him to return to the ring, then he shouldn't.  Whether he himself believes that is another matter.  I think there's a bigger stink about Bryan because notable sports doctors have cleared him, while WWE's has not. I believe WWE's hesitation has more to do with the lawsuits than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It probably does, but after the Benoit thing, I would imagine that they want to be extra careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Well that's the problem. It doesn't matter what his doctors say. WWE's own doctor says he shouldn't wrestle. I'm not a lawyer but 20 years from now when he's in a wheelchair like Dynamite Kid and decides to sue, it's going to be hard to defend if they waive their contracted physician's diagnosis and let him come back.  I wouldn't let him come back. He's already shown to have piss-poor judgment regarding his own health. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 http://csrwrestling.com/korderas-reality-check-on-daniel-bryan/ Â Putting it out there before someone else does. Â If it's dangerous for him to return to the ring, then he shouldn't. Â Whether he himself believes that is another matter. Â Are there really people who think they intentionally don't clear him, because he's too over? I've never heard that one before, at least not on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I call bullshit on Del Rio never allowing anyone except Cena to call spots for him. He never let Punk or Bryan or Edge call anything? No way.  Heels often call the match. Austin (due to his poor hearing) & Cena are exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Â http://csrwrestling.com/korderas-reality-check-on-daniel-bryan/ Â Putting it out there before someone else does. Â If it's dangerous for him to return to the ring, then he shouldn't. Â Whether he himself believes that is another matter. Â Are there really people who think they intentionally don't clear him, because he's too over? I've never heard that one before, at least not on this board. Â Â Admittedly, I've said that I don't see any reason for WWE to put him back on TV or even mention him any more. Â Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I had a hard time accepting the fact that Bryan should never wrestle again. Â But in reality, he fucked himself up way before WWE with those concussions. Â I just can't in good conscience be selfish and want him to come back. Â If he did somehow come back and do the stuff he always did I'd be mortified. Â He's done enough damage to risk having those long-term effects, and I worry about him being like Dynamite Kid or at worst Benoit. Â But man I can also see why people want him back. Â He's smart as can be and still works out like he's training for a comeback. Â If he just had all this happen in WWE I might be inclined to say "Sure, why not?" Â But factor in his pre-WWE concussions? Â Hell, no, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Sadly, I've hit the mindset of asking why I should get too attached to any of these people. Â They don't seem to have much of a shelf life any more. Â One goes down, another that looks like him/her will take his/her place. Â It's the nature of the business...that's just reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dln5oIGw5q0 just trust me and watch this one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Every time there's a video posted in a wrestling context, I half-expect that goddamn Cena meme to pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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