JLSigman Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Why do people always go to the bitch switch in conversations like this? Things were actually pretty civil with this conversation, too. I haven't read a single thing that says Cam handled this correctly. But I think some of us are trying not to over-react Well, you wouldn't want to be compared to a woman, would you? Cam reminds me a lot of my Aspergers/Austistic nephew. He wears his heart on his sleeve and his face. Please do not say that he is immature because he isn't a robot concealing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The officiating last night was embarrassing trash come on. They called PI on a pass that nearly landed on the moon. It's not why Carolina lost either come on. Denver's defense was fiercer than I ever imagined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I said it last night, Ealy was the best player on the field, edging out Miller in my view. He was unblockable That interception was the best play he made though. He caught it with one hand, made three or four people miss and probably would have scored if he got one more block. That dude is only 24, and until last night I'd never heard of him. I don't know if he played the game of his life or if we just saw the coming out party of the next great guy. I'm going to be very interested to see what he does next season. Another incredible Ealy stat from last night, he only played 23 total snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The officiating last night was embarrassing trash come on. They called PI on a pass that nearly landed on the moon. It's not why Carolina lost either come on. Denver's defense was fiercer than I ever imagined. No they didn't. There was not a single DPI call in the entire game. They called defensive holding, and the pass being uncatchable is immaterial to that rule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The officiating last night was embarrassing trash come on. They called PI on a pass that nearly landed on the moon. It's not why Carolina lost either come on. Denver's defense was fiercer than I ever imagined. No they didn't. There was not a single DPI call in the entire game. They called defensive holding, and the pass being uncatchable is immaterial to that rule The issue is that they didn't call them consistently. If you call that defensive holding on Josh Norman in the end zone, you have to call it on the other side. Both secondaries did a lot of holding, illegal contact, and even some borderline pass interference, but they didn't really call it evenly. That game was really close, and little stuff like that does matter. In a game that was dominated by the defenses, calling one side closer than the other is kind of a big deal. Carolina also dropped about three interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The only officiating thing that bothered me was they ignored PI/defensive holding virtually all night, and then (correctly) called it right at the end after Carolina's defense had made a big stand. It was the right call, but they let similar plays go all night. What bothered me was intentional grounding. The nfl really needs to look at changing how they view it. On one occasion Cam was in the grasp and going down and just managed to get the ball out and it wasn't called. Multiple other times he was about to get sacked and threw it away where it didn't really look like he was outside the tackles, and one looked to maybe not get back to the line of scrimmage. Regardless, all of those cases are intentionally grounding the ball. If you're not trying to complete a pass and are just throwing the ball away to avoid a sack, that should be intentional grounding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The only officiating thing that bothered me was they ignored PI/defensive holding virtually all night, and then (correctly) called it right at the end after Carolina's defense had made a big stand. It was the right call, but they let similar plays go all night. What bothered me was intentional grounding. The nfl really needs to look at changing how they view it. On one occasion Cam was in the grasp and going down and just managed to get the ball out and it wasn't called. Multiple other times he was about to get sacked and threw it away where it didn't really look like he was outside the tackles, and one looked to maybe not get back to the line of scrimmage. Regardless, all of those cases are intentionally grounding the ball. If you're not trying to complete a pass and are just throwing the ball away to avoid a sack, that should be intentional grounding. I thought it was worse at the end of the AFC Championship Game. That last Patriots drive was just a series of Brady getting tackled and blindly flinging the ball. I honestly thought he was down at least twice, and there was at least once when he wasn't even looking in the direction he threw the ball. I swear I don't know what a intentional grounding is or what a catch is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The officiating last night was embarrassing trash come on. They called PI on a pass that nearly landed on the moon. It's not why Carolina lost either come on. Denver's defense was fiercer than I ever imagined. No they didn't. There was not a single DPI call in the entire game. They called defensive holding, and the pass being uncatchable is immaterial to that rule The issue is that they didn't call them consistently. If you call that defensive holding on Josh Norman in the end zone, you have to call it on the other side. Both secondaries did a lot of holding, illegal contact, and even some borderline pass interference, but they didn't really call it evenly. That game was really close, and little stuff like that does matter. In a game that was dominated by the defenses, calling one side closer than the other is kind of a big deal. Carolina also dropped about three interceptions.Which is exactly what I said a few posts before the one you quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 When your the MVP, and you have a chance to win the game, and you don't there will be criticism, and its not necessarily right or fair, and that's before you throw in the racial aspects, which color some(if you want to say most or all I won't argue) arguments. Denver's defense was a buzzsaw, and they earned the win. Congrats to the Broncos fans on the board, and Panther fans, you have my sympathies, I know how much it hurts. Is this version of Peyton Manning the worst QB to win a Super Bowl? I think Dilfer was probably worse, but I'm not sure he could have completed a thirty yard pass to save his life last night. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Statistically, he's by far the worst QB to win the Superbowl, and by QBR, (which only goes back a bit, I think 2004?), he had the worst performance by a winning QB game in a playoff game ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I hadn't seen people saying Talib should have been ejected, that's the silliest thing I've read on the Internet in at least 12 hours. If anyone can name one time a player was ejected for a facemask I'll eat my shoe, I've seen similar facemasks not lead to an ejection. Suh alone has tried to kill like 12 QBs with worse things then that and I think only got ejected once. The Super Bowl isn't really the place to set a new precedent, if they want to talk about it in the off season for rule changes that's fine but that wasn't the moment to do it. That does come across as sour grapes, wanting the NFL Officials to just go rogue for the Panthers' benefit. And they do really need to look at Intentional Grounding, it is just too vague and not called correctly even by the vague rules. Besides that I thought the officiating was fine, they mostly stayed out of the way which is what people want most the time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Him admitting it was intentional to prevent the touchdown/would only get Carolina about one yard was surprising. I mean, I figured that was the case, and said it to people around me, but I didn't think he'd be open about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMark Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Are there not rules about Professional Fouls like that in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hey, at least he stood the field a congratulated the winners last night, unlike that one guy the Colts used to have when they lost to the Saints. Or that guy on the Cleveland Cavs who is always the first one to bounce after a tough loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Not really. He got the personal foul, but where they were on the field muted the impact. Because he admitted it, he'll probably get a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Are there not rules about Professional Fouls like that in the NFL? Yeah, 15 yard penalty or half the distance to the goal. I thought it was a dirty play, but a smart play. Up until that point the Panthers couldn't do shit on offense, so if you have the choice between a one yard penalty and a touchdown, choose the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Are there not rules about Professional Fouls like that in the NFL? To get ejected, it usually takes either a series of personal fouls, or doing an egregious act after the play is over. Punching a player and touching a referee generally are automatic ejections, otherwise it is just a 15 year penalty. I mean players aim at other player's heads and knock them unconscious and don't get ejected in the NFL (something I think will change at some point since college already did) and that to me is worse than what Talib did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincey Greene Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Alright, fine. I was salty. Still think it was poorly officiated and that it was strange that there were penalties that they didn't even show footage of. But I'm certain that the refs were just bad and there's no correlation between the last game of Peyton Manning and a ref who has never called a Denver loss. I mean, the NFL is fully on the up and up and known for their integrity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojomellon Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Josh Gordon has filed for reinstatement. lol Dont see the humor. Dude was banned for drinking a beer. Was in the substance abuse program for smoking weed. Misses a season in which Greg Hardy was allowed to play and earn 10 million. Word is that he has been doing great while suspended this season. I have high hopes for him. His 2013 season was absurdly great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 *snickers* "High" hopes *snickers* Seriously though I hope Gordon gets himself turned around. Dude's got the talent to be an upper tier receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMark Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Are there not rules about Professional Fouls like that in the NFL?Yeah, 15 yard penalty or half the distance to the goal. I thought it was a dirty play, but a smart play. Up until that point the Panthers couldn't do shit on offense, so if you have the choice between a one yard penalty and a touchdown, choose the penalty. I suppose I'm used to the mentality where a deliberate attempt to stop a score by illegal means gets the hammer dropped on the offending player. So to me, that's incredibly dirty play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The only officiating thing that bothered me was they ignored PI/defensive holding virtually all night, and then (correctly) called it right at the end after Carolina's defense had made a big stand. It was the right call, but they let similar plays go all night. What bothered me was intentional grounding. The nfl really needs to look at changing how they view it. On one occasion Cam was in the grasp and going down and just managed to get the ball out and it wasn't called. Multiple other times he was about to get sacked and threw it away where it didn't really look like he was outside the tackles, and one looked to maybe not get back to the line of scrimmage. Regardless, all of those cases are intentionally grounding the ball. If you're not trying to complete a pass and are just throwing the ball away to avoid a sack, that should be intentional grounding. Exactly. The rule is called intentional grounding. It's right there in the name. Anybody with half a brain can tell when the QB is grounding the ball intentionally instead of trying to complete a pass. A pretty big indicator, for example, is whether the QB is in the grasp of two defenders and is one foot from the turf. Supremebve mentioned the AFC championship and he's absolutely right. Brady, on that last drive, was in the grasp and headed for the ground 2-3 times and just winged it into the dirt to avoid a sack. On one occasion, the "closest receiver" had fallen down and was just getting up when the ball bounced past him. The rule as it is applied today is absolutely broken and does nothing but favor the offense in the cheapest way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Josh Gordon has filed for reinstatement. lol Dont see the humor. Dude was banned for drinking a beer. Was in the substance abuse program for smoking weed. Misses a season in which Greg Hardy was allowed to play and earn 10 million. Word is that he has been doing great while suspended this season. I have high hopes for him. His 2013 season was absurdly great. Josh Gordon is a dude who people assume has a problem, when in reality he got suspended for the most arbitrary reason ever. If his urine was sampled as a whole he would have passed. They split his sample and lettered one a and one b. If the b sample was the a sample he would have passed. His urine was only dirty, because they split his sample and tested the sample that happened to be one nanogram over the limit. We all laughed at his second hand smoke defense, but if he was smoking weed he wasn't smoking very much. Then he basically got banned for drinking a beer. Josh Gordon doesn't strike me as someone with a drug problem. He strikes me as someone who gets caught every time he dabbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 And someone that doesn't understand how to follow rules and probation restrictions which is a bigger issue probably, but I think we've all had this conversation on this board last year with people's stances probably not changing since then. I don't think having high hopes for him is a great idea, when he did play in 2014 he was just average. And this is an even longer layoff than last time, so it seems optimistic at this point that he will repeat his 2013 numbers. But I hope he has learned from all this and comes back strong, nothing against the guy, he just seems to made a lot of poor decisions up to this point and he may end up being a one-hit wonder of sorts, a "What If" like Blackmon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Getting back to actual football... Teams continue to purge their rosters. The Giants got rid of 3 starters yesterday with Jon Beason retiring (which he did in lieu of getting cut), Will Beatty and Geoff Schwartz Beason - as I am sure Panthers fans will agree - was a really good player and better person. Unfortunately he was also constantly injured. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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