Elsalvajeloco Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Maybe she means late February because this doesn't make any sense because the Brooklyn show is in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 she calls featherweight "her weight class", but if they only way you can get there is with 12 weeks preparation, maybe she should start campaigning for a women's welterweight division. this is Rumble Johnson levels of too much weight cutting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Ronda is reportedly at 140 (she is as high as 152) 24 days out from the Nunes fight so it's crazy that possibly her left fight (should that fight actually come to fruition) could be against someone who might start camp in the high 160s to low 170s. I am just bit frustrated from the whole situation because I could understand if every bantamweight openly said they wouldn't fight Cyborg at all under any circumstance. A lot of fighters said they were willing to fight her based on certain conditions (in the case Holm recently, very unrealistic). She finally comes to fight in the UFC, and barely a soul wants to fight her. Now you have an opportunity to fight for a title, and it's basically going to be the same situation. I think it hurts the credibility of the women at 135 even if it's not intended to be that way. Ronda is basically gone for a year, and no one really wanted to break away from the pack (save for Nunes who became champ) to become a star. Holm lost twice since beating Ronda and didn't look great against Shevchenko. Tate lost her smile somewhere between upsetting Holm and walking out to fight Nunes. Zingano fought once and didn't look good. Pena fought once and didn't look good against Zingano in a supposed title eliminator. Jessica Eye is barely holding on to a UFC roster spot. Bethe joined AKA and split two fights before subsequently leaving AKA to train again in Brazil. Alexis Davis was out for a majority of the year for maternity leave. McMann was just like Eye up until she beat Davis last Saturday. The people with the most forward progression are the champ Nunes (who has a money fight with Rousey), a 125er in Valentina Shevchenko, and Raquel Pennington. Tate upsetting Holm didn't rattle the division as much as the division rattled itself. I understand that fighters don't want to fight Cyborg due to size and whatnot, but a lot of bantamweights bet small this year and somehow lost big. This is the exact inverse of what happened at 170 post GSP retirement. If most of the fighters decide to stay in a holding pattern until Ronda comes back, that's when you have big problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 BTW Pena vs. Shevchenko is finalized for the Denver card as the main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Cyborg is a fucking idiot. The fact is this. She's too big for featherweight. And why the hell is she cutting 24 pounds in a week anyway? No fighter should do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 27 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: Cyborg is a fucking idiot. The fact is this. She's too big for featherweight. And why the hell is she cutting 24 pounds in a week anyway? No fighter should do that. Did Lockhart tell her to do that though and that's why he got cut loose? Because they didn't seem to be on the same page at all during the Lansberg camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Cyborg has had an excuse for everything her entire career. Even when she was cheating, it was diuretics or some nonsense. Maybe she was talking diuretics because she was juicing herself to the gills. That's one reason fighters take diuretics, so they don't piss hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 3 hours ago, TheVileOne said: Cyborg has had an excuse for everything her entire career. Even when she was cheating, it was diuretics or some nonsense. Maybe she was talking diuretics because she was juicing herself to the gills. That's one reason fighters take diuretics, so they don't piss hot. That didn't answer my question though. We're not talking about diuretics. Everyone and everything is fine and dandy when S&Cs and "nutritionists" do some magic tricks and people show up on weight. Let someone not show up on weight and people get called fat even though folks are virtually sucked in on the scale and look sickly. Cyborg not making weight isn't going to be her problem as much as it is the UFC's problem especially if she's going to be the new star once Ronda leaves. It also doesn't help that Joanna might be trying to pop out kids sooner rather than later. The amount they're about to invest in her is too much to be like. "Hey, she fired George Lockhart who is kinda our go-to guy when it comes to weight cutting. That's fine." If she is doing extreme cuts, I want to know the reasons behind all of that instead of, "See, this has been going on for years blah blah." I get that every WOR from Meltzer when he discusses Cyborg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 My answer is, she just likes to make excuses for everything her entire career. Like a lot of Brazilian fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 30 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: My answer is, she just likes to make excuses for everything her entire career. Like a lot of Brazilian fighters. That's not an answer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It's all I've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 24 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: It's all I've got. Please never defend yourself in court. Just take the public defender. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Please never defend yourself in court. Just take the public defender. I'll think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Well, if she can't make weight because she can completely dehydrate her body to the point of near death and still weighs 136+, then she's too big for the division and should be campaigning for a 145 title, or she needs to drop some muscle mass. Whereas if she's physically capable of making 135 but repeatedly fails to because she refuses to diet or cut properly (or because she's intentionally going in overweight to get an illegal advantage in competition), then she's just an arsehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 24 minutes ago, AxB said: Well, if she can't make weight because she can completely dehydrate her body to the point of near death and still weighs 136+, then she's too big for the division and should be campaigning for a 145 title, or she needs to drop some muscle mass. Whereas if she's physically capable of making 135 but repeatedly fails to because she refuses to diet or cut properly (or because she's intentionally going in overweight to get an illegal advantage in competition), then she's just an arsehole. Except she is 2 for 2 making weight in the UFC at the contracted weight she was suppose to fight at. At no point did we really hear Lockhart say, "Well, I can probably get her to start camp at say 158 instead of 168." We just kinda assumed she would be magically smaller. Therefore, the focus was on making the contracted limit instead of this test cut to 135. She wanted to fight at 145, and now she gets to fight at 145 because the UFC really have no other alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 So actually she just manipulated the situation at 135 to get her way into the big company, when she really never intended to fight in that division? That's pretty clever. Can't hate a fighter for being smarter than Dana White, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, AxB said: So actually she just manipulated the situation at 135 to get her way into the big company, when she really never intended to fight in that division? That's pretty clever. Can't hate a fighter for being smarter than Dana White, can you? We have no proof that she did that because Lockhart's focus was to get her down to the weight she was suppose to fight at instead of 135. If the bouts were set at 135, she blew weight, and we got two catchweights, then it would be drastically different. Plenty of folks said they would fight at a catchweight and then no one reputable at 135 fought her at 140 when it came down to it. They had half a year or more than that to do so. It didn't happen. So the UFC wasn't going to fuck around with her killing herself when it was clear that even with Lockhart, things were not going that smoothly. The two fights she had could have been contested at 145 and nothing would have changed ultimately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Quote except that the expectation was that she would do one or two test cuts to 140, and ultimately end up at the 135 lb division. in that regard, she's certainly not holding up her end of the bargain. somewhat related, who are they bringing in at 145? one person does not a division make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 140 is not 135 though. She made 140 twice. In order to make 135, you have to get to 136 for non title fights. She was never asked to make 135. If they wanted her at 135, she would be scheduled to fight at 135. She only agreed to fight at 140 for superfights, and they agreed to that. She got Lina Lansberg and Leslie Smith before that. She kept her end of the bargain, and they didn't mostly because everyone save for her two actual opponents and Germaine de Randamie caught the vapors. The featherweight division is happening because there is no point in doing catchweights if no notable women except for one is willing to fight her at 140. Plus, that one woman is big enough where 145 is viable and legit. In addition, based on the Lansberg FS1 rating, Cyborg is a big enough star to justify that move. If she is the only person who will be around long term, it was going to happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 On 12/5/2016 at 6:57 PM, Elsalvajeloco said: Jessica Andrade vs. Maryna Moroz has been added to UFC 207. Scratch this fight. Moroz already withdrew and Angela Hill is returning to the UFC to replace her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Dana White says they are adding women's featherweight division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 Looks like Aljamain Sterling vs. Raphael Assuncao has been moved to the UFC on Fox 23 card in Denver. I'm surprised it wasn't moved to the Brooklyn card. However, UFC 208 does get Glover Teixeira vs. the recently victorious Jared Cannonier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smitlick Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Havent been around for awhile and a bit behind on my viewings but just caught Polo Reyes vs Dong Hyun Kim from 199... Damn what a fun fight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, smitlick said: Havent been around for awhile and a bit behind on my viewings but just caught Polo Reyes vs Dong Hyun Kim from 199... Damn what a fun fight.. Yes. Yes, it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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