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I'd go

1. Spider-man 2

2. Spider-man

3. The Amazing Spider-man

4. Spider-man 3

5. The Amazing Spider-man 2

I agree on Emma Stone (easily the best part of those 2) and Grace/Venom, vehemently disagree on the dance scene (I think it's the second best scene of the damn movie, only behind Peter vs. Harry in the mansion). I think Spider-man 3 is better than its reputation, but it's not, you know, good.

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We watched a couple movies this past weekend. First up was Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation. I REALLY wanted to see this in the theater because I love the M:I series like I love the Fast and Furious series, but I didn't have the time. HOT DAMN did we love the hell out of Rogue Nation. I can't think of a single thing I'd change. Also, Tom Cruise's consistency with Ethan Hunt's reactions to getting electrocuted/revived with defibrillator paddles is remarkable. Dude played it nearly the same as he did in M:I 3, but I totally dug the added brain damage from drowning that lead to some pretty hilarious moments. Awesome movie.

 

And then we watched Jurassic World, which was the complete opposite of awesome. In fact, it was pretty damn terrible. 30 minutes in we were both thinking it was totally shitty. I hated so much about that movie. In particular, Bryce Dallas Howard's character. I mean, the four fucking people that wrote this piece of shit shouldn't be allowed to write another female character again, or rather, the idiot that wrote her character should never be allowed to touch a script again. My girlfriend remarked that Bryce Dallas Howard's character was single-handedly setting back progress for women. Just, wow, even now I'm stunned at how terrible her character was.

 

As bad was EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. they cut to the control room with Not Oscar Isaac and the other girl, with the same shitty camera shot used every time they cut to them and whoever was standing in between them. Those two characters communicated with each other like it was their first day on the job or their first time meeting, and then they would communicate like they've known each other for awhile. All of that flip-flopping continued the entire movie, all the way up until the very end with the super shitty sitcom moment where Not Oscar Isaac goes in for a kiss. None of this even touches on the fucking meta and ludicrous lines of dialogue about how that "first park was legit."

 

Speaking of characters hooking up, the characters played by Howard and Pratt went on all of one date and haven't really communicated much since. By the end of the movie, Howard asks what do they do now and Pratt says, "we keep sticking together" or some bullshit. WHAT?

 

It just makes no sense. In a movie featuring impossible science to create dinosaurs, what was most unbelieveable were the characters. There were maybe a couple good parts leading up to the big fight at the end, but even then, when that fight is over, the T-Rex and raptors just leave and don't give a shit about the humans. FFS. What that scene was, or really, what that moment was, was the end of Anchorman with Baxter the dog talking to the bear and everyone splitting. I kept waiting for a subtitle of dialogue between the dinosaurs to really send things home, but alas, that didn't happen.

 

I really have no idea how Jurassic World made so much money. My friend made the comment that the biggest movies in history (Titanic, Avatar) were by and large pretty average. Ok, average, fine, but this was bad. And insulting. And it did repeat business like crazy, which would seem to mean that people were telling their friends and family members to go and see Jurassic World NOW. Jurassic World is basically the equivalent of a hapless dope going into a riverboat casino and hitting a jackpot on a nickel slot machine.

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Jurassic World was the movie equivalent of PT Barnum's old saying, "If you throw enough money at the people, they'll throw it right back at you."

 

The one thing they got 100% wrong in their recreation of JP1 was a deeply misogynistic tone that prevaded World.  At its core, Jurassic Park is an extremely feminist movie, as shown by Laura Dern and Arianna Richards, who never really panic and are always shown to be the smartest people in the room.  Not to mention that the dinosaurs (all female) are throwing off the shackles of male domination (Attenborough, Sam Jackson, Peck, and ...Newman) and show that no woman can (and should be) chained. 

 

Jurassic World had Chris Pratt almost literally saying the raptors don't murder him because "game respect game."   Fuck all of that shit. 

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Why did they make a dinosaur that could camouflage itself when the point to this park is to see the dinosaurs?

 

Why were those two boys so unbelievably dumb and NOT SHAKEN IN THE LEAST by watching the graphic murder of so many people? I guess shocking a raptor off the vehicle they were in to high afterward made everything better...

 

Did any of these assholes have names? I think Chris Pratt was Owen. That's about all I got.

 

I am in awe at how detached from reality the writers are to even suggest that people would get bored of seeing dinosaurs when people flock to the same zoos every year to see animals that haven't gone extinct. We have a small zoo here in South Bend. It's not the Brookfield Zoo or Lincoln Park Zoo, but it's nice and I buy a family pass to there every year because the zoo is awesome. I take my daughter multiple times per year to the same zoo and it doesn't really get old. Fuck that notion that people would get tired of seeing dinosaurs in that kind of habitat. 

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I'm really "Whatever..." on the Jurassic Park series.  I mean, this one wasn't amazing, but neither was the original but...

Not Oscar Isaac

this deeply offends me because  Jake Johnson is awesome and deserves much more than this.

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I'm really "Whatever..." on the Jurassic Park series.  I mean, this one wasn't amazing, but neither was the original but...

Not Oscar Isaac

this deeply offends me because  Jake Johnson is awesome and deserves much more than this.

 

 

I only labeled him like that because he looks a lot like Oscar Isaac. I have been told he's really funny on the New Girl.

 

 

Jake Johnson is awesome, but it's not really an insult. They have the exact same face and the exact same voice. I have a theory that they are the same person, that "Jake Johnson" is his alter ego he uses when he wants to do more straight comedy. Not that Oscar Isaac can't be funny, see the dance scene from Ex-Machina for instance.

 

His character (Jake's that is) in Jurassic World is total ass though. Such a waste. The first park was legit? How would you know?!?!?!

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Saw Hateful 8 yesterday.  No spoilers, but I felt bad for Daisy (Jennifer Jason Leigh's character, the one who's captured by Kurt Russell and is going to hang) pretty much all the way through, and that hurts the movie.  Her worst actions are motivated by trying to save her own life, so I can justify everything she does onscreen.  They tell us she's a bad person rather than showing us, when all the other characters are doing worse things.

 

Some internet folks feel that the movie is a commentary on race relations and Daisy kind of symbolizes racism, which makes everything a little more palatable, but this is stuff you think about afterwards.  When I watch the movie for the first time I'm just looking at the surface level story.

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Rented Mad Max: Fury Road over the weekend. It is completely, gloriously insane, with some of the most stunning cinematography I've ever seen in a movie. That opening shot of Max with the entire outback spread out before him is an absolute killer visual.

 

I think the hype is overblown on it to an extent in that it's REALLY confusing and messy in spots and Cindy gave up on it halfway through... but it has a giant truck made out of taiko drums, Marshall stacks and a dude shredding away on a flame-throwing guitar in his jammies. What's not to love?

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No spoilers, but I felt bad for Daisy (Jennifer Jason Leigh's character, the one who's captured by Kurt Russell and is going to hang) pretty much all the way through, and that hurts the movie.  Her worst actions are motivated by trying to save her own life, so I can justify everything she does onscreen.  They tell us she's a bad person rather than showing us, when all the other characters are doing worse things.

Agreed. Aside from displaying some casual racism (and pretty much everyone else in the movie does the same), we never actually see her do anything bad, or at least anything which can't be chalked up to self-preservation. And the sheer amount of abuse and humiliation she's forced to endure felt so uncomfortable that at times I was practically cheering for her, rather than the nominal "heroes". Her final fate was almost unwatchably cruel.

EDIT: then again, this IS Tarantino, who often delights in torturing the audience by way of torturing his characters. But still, in his past two movies, he's regressed in a big way from the feminism of his previous works. It's hard to understand why the guy who made Jackie Brown, Kill Bill, and Death Proof is now two-for-two in super-misogynistic Westerns in which the main female characters are treated as nothing but punching bags or pawns for the men to fight over.

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Saw Hateful 8 yesterday.  No spoilers, but I felt bad for Daisy (Jennifer Jason Leigh's character, the one who's captured by Kurt Russell and is going to hang) pretty much all the way through, and that hurts the movie.  Her worst actions are motivated by trying to save her own life, so I can justify everything she does onscreen.  They tell us she's a bad person rather than showing us, when all the other characters are doing worse things.

 

Some internet folks feel that the movie is a commentary on race relations and Daisy kind of symbolizes racism, which makes everything a little more palatable, but this is stuff you think about afterwards.  When I watch the movie for the first time I'm just looking at the surface level story.

I assumed at the start, it must have been something bad for a woman to have a bounty on her head enough to be hanged.

Once you learn she is part of a big time gang, it makes more sense.

And her racism (topped by her spitting on the Lincoln letter) makes her unsympathetic too.

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No spoilers, but I felt bad for Daisy (Jennifer Jason Leigh's character, the one who's captured by Kurt Russell and is going to hang) pretty much all the way through, and that hurts the movie.  Her worst actions are motivated by trying to save her own life, so I can justify everything she does onscreen.  They tell us she's a bad person rather than showing us, when all the other characters are doing worse things.

Agreed. Aside from displaying some casual racism (and pretty much everyone else in the movie does the same), we never actually see her do anything bad, or at least anything which can't be chalked up to self-preservation. And the sheer amount of abuse and humiliation she's forced to endure felt so uncomfortable that at times I was practically cheering for her, rather than the nominal "heroes". Her final fate was almost unwatchably cruel.

 

 

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It's hard rooting for her since her brother technically did off innocent people in pursuit of trying to free her. If I get shot in the face, I'm not going to be sympathetic for the cause of why I was shot in the face. 

 

Yeah, I'll take a gun butt and a punch to the face anyday over getting my head turned into a fine, red mist.

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Everybody seemed just a little too goddamned talky in that fuckin' movie.  Just toast everybody, why give a bigass Jules Winnfeld playin' Clue breakdown?  We know how things turn out when Kurt Russell gets into these isolated snowy deals.

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Finally watched Creed. Melodramatic and ridiculous at times, which means it was a Rocky movie. I lived for it. Everyone knows at this point that Michael B. Jordan is a damn fine actor but Sly more than held up his end. Billion stars.

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Saw Hateful 8 yesterday.  No spoilers, but I felt bad for Daisy (Jennifer Jason Leigh's character, the one who's captured by Kurt Russell and is going to hang) pretty much all the way through, and that hurts the movie.  Her worst actions are motivated by trying to save her own life, so I can justify everything she does onscreen.  They tell us she's a bad person rather than showing us, when all the other characters are doing worse things.

 

Some internet folks feel that the movie is a commentary on race relations and Daisy kind of symbolizes racism, which makes everything a little more palatable, but this is stuff you think about afterwards.  When I watch the movie for the first time I'm just looking at the surface level story.

 

The Daisy stuff is definitely the most unnerving, but all of the main players in the movie prove to be pretty awful people in general. Tarantino is my favorite director, but this has to be the first film of his in awhile that has made me digest it. I saw it on Sunday and am still thinking about this thing. He's obviously making some social commentaries about racial and gender tensions/abuse, but he seems determined to make everyone upset and unnerved by it in that process. In a lot of ways, the movie felt like his most vicious, yet confident film he's ever made.

 

 

Rented Mad Max: Fury Road over the weekend. It is completely, gloriously insane, with some of the most stunning cinematography I've ever seen in a movie. That opening shot of Max with the entire outback spread out before him is an absolute killer visual.

 

I think the hype is overblown on it to an extent in that it's REALLY confusing and messy in spots and Cindy gave up on it halfway through... but it has a giant truck made out of taiko drums, Marshall stacks and a dude shredding away on a flame-throwing guitar in his jammies. What's not to love?

 

I think this is a film that suffers from not experiencing it in the cinema. Because in the theaters, that film may have been my favorite movie going experience of all time. I saw a very late showing while exhausted and walked out of that thing amped up and ready to conquer the world.

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Felt like watching something Mod and scrolled through Fandor's UK listings. Chose 1965's The Pleasure Girls, about a girl who moves to London to become a model and gets swept up in the party scene (haven't watched it yet, but that's basically the synopsis they gave).

 

One of the first names listed in the credits? Ian McShane! FUCK YES I am so down with watching Young Al Swearengen get with the birds.

 

I'll keep you abridged of any possible dance numbers.

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Literally, Ian McShane's first lines in the movie:

 

"Hey...who's the new chick?"
"Don't bother she's not ready for you yet."
"She's not ready for me now, she never will be."

 

And he's a photographer. Oh girl, he's going to be bad news. Good bad news.

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